kirtleypete Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 Second thoughts again! This picture implies that there was nothing in this end.... We've decided to leave things as they are. I have added the ventilators on the roof and the decorative panel above the windows...the clock is on order and can be added when it arrives. Peter 8 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Have I missed a departure indicator - surely essential? Pity you left that caption on the photo of the end of Smiths. The Assembly Rooms - now an 'Ask' Pizzeria in happier times - is a wonderful building. And the city walls are simply superb. Others will have places and areas of York they believe are of great architectural merit. Paul 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 There must be a departure board, but it's not on the end of the old signal box (if that's what it is), and we haven't found a picture showing it. As soon as we do I'll model it. of course. I'm amazed how hard it is to find pictures of that area. Peter 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted November 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2020 I recall the departures listings were on big roller displays, possibly 7-8ft tall, glass fronted with dark wood cabinet style surrounds. I am about 90% certain there was a set on the left (south side) as you went onto the platform and where the Burger King concession is now/was the last time I was on the station. I vaguely recall some others out on the platforms but I am hazy in memory as to where they were. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted November 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) Have just flicked through one of the books on York railways in my library. It is in copyright so I won't post the photo here but this book (See p24) has a photo showing the newsagent, signal box, original location of the footbridge stairs and one of the roller indicator cabinets circa 1930. Sadly I think the book is long out of print. It did of course change by the 1950s but the photo may help. The book is - Hoole, K., 1976. Railways of York, Clapham (Via Lancaster): Dalesman. Edited November 28, 2020 by john new Typos corrected 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 My customer has got that book, I think, I'll ask him, Thanks, Peter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted November 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, kirtleypete said: Second thoughts again! This picture implies that there was nothing in this end.... Peter The cabinet with the blurred figure in front of it (and the cartoon person in the advert) may well have been a departures cabinet with roller blind on the platform face. I am not certain but it matches my memory of what they looked like before the electronic versions replaced them. Edited November 28, 2020 by john new 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted November 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, kirtleypete said: There must be a departure board, but it's not on the end of the old signal box (if that's what it is) ........ Peter It definitely was a signal box - 70 levers. As far as I can remember, there was no 'board' (departure or otherwise) on the 'north end' of the 'box. Again, AFAIR, the 'gate' at that end was only used by staff/PO staff taking barrows in/out of the station, and even less frequently, at extremely busy times, such as when the races were on. The 'south end' ticket gates being the main access for passengers (and train spotters) to the platforms. Edited November 28, 2020 by iands spelling correction 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted November 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2020 This image https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/18185835.york-railway-station-engineering-becomes-art/#gallery4 on the York Press website confirms one of my memory locations for the roller blind departure boards. The one face on to the camera with Departures as the box header was the roller type, on the right are cabinets with IIRC the full timetables. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 Brilliant!!! Peter 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 4 hours ago, john new said: This image https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/18185835.york-railway-station-engineering-becomes-art/#gallery4 on the York Press website confirms one of my memory locations for the roller blind departure boards. The one face on to the camera with Departures as the box header was the roller type, on the right are cabinets with IIRC the full timetables. Enquiring of the two local newspapers - York Press and Yorkshire Times was going to be my suggestion. I follow the Press online and they frequently put up sets of photos of local interest, just street scenes or local buildings etc. They must have a vast photo archive. I think it is the Yorkshire Times that has published railway photo books in the past. We have a lot of the York related books at our club house, but completely closed up for some months to come I'm afraid. But I also concede large amounts of railway went largely unrecorded. I think that because nowadays mass photography is relatively cheap - even basically free with many phones - there is a lack of understanding how recent this has come about. Apologies a bit of a hobby horse. Paul 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
waggy Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 11 hours ago, hmrspaul said: Enquiring of the two local newspapers - York Press and Yorkshire Times was going to be my suggestion. I follow the Press online and they frequently put up sets of photos of local interest, just street scenes or local buildings etc. They must have a vast photo archive. I think it is the Yorkshire Times that has published railway photo books in the past. We have a lot of the York related books at our club house, but completely closed up for some months to come I'm afraid. But I also concede large amounts of railway went largely unrecorded. I think that because nowadays mass photography is relatively cheap - even basically free with many phones - there is a lack of understanding how recent this has come about. Apologies a bit of a hobby horse. Paul The books were Yorkshire Steam published by The Yorkshire Post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 I trawled through 168 pictures of old York online yesterday, and not a single one of the station! However, I have bought 18 great pictures from Lens of Sutton and have contacted the Kidderminster museum. I'm sure the NRM have some, but I'm not paying £20 per picture! Peter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted November 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2020 At the risk of teaching you egg sucking have you used Goggle for a search on York Station but then used the images only option rather than all? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
73c Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I did that last night, hoping in some small way to help out. After watching 'This is York' twice and rolling through loads of photo's, I realised it was midnight and I'd been looking for over 2 hours! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 I'm glad it's not just me! Peter 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium coronach Posted November 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2020 On 27/11/2020 at 14:34, iands said: Totally agree. I was an S&T trainee at York 'box in 1976. Cleaning & polishing in the Power House was nice little job on a Friday. As 1976 was one of the hottest summers on record, with all the relays, transformers etc., and no ventilation (apart from opening the doors at either end) the relay room soon became a rather hot and stuffy place to be. So much so that the electrical installers carrying out modifications "downed tools" in the afternoons to go and cool down. I tried to join them one day, but the 'box lineman on 'afters' (late shift 2-10) this particular week, insisted I was to remain and finish the task he had given me - cleaning the glass on about 30 shelf relays with a chamois leather. Not my favourite lineman that week! I was a student engineer and spent 6 weeks sitting in the mess room. There wasn’t much to do because there were so few faults and the technicians were happy reading their papers. I would sneak into the power box and sit at the back watching the signalmen working the panel. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) The signalmen on the layout will have an easy life too, so perhaps we should model them reading the Yorkshire Post! I've been working on the tea room; Those two phallic bottles are going to provide the two domes on the roof. I was relieved it was just anti perspirant, it could have been a lot worse! I know what you're thinking! Getting any glue to stick to the plastic caps was a nightmare, and they still need some cleaning up. There are still a few gaps to fill and things to tidy up. I'll give it all overnight to harden off and then tomorrow I can weather it and the old signal box. As with the other side I've left the panel over the door blank, as by our period it was only used by staff. Peter Edited November 30, 2020 by kirtleypete 10 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted November 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2020 It's a pity your client cannot use Rule 1 and have the tea room for it's original use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 He can if he likes, it would be easy enough to add the signs. If it was down to me I'd have it as the York Tap! Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) As ever, impatience has got the better of me. I've given both models a wash of dilute black, and in the morning I'll do some dry brushing to blend it all together. I've also done drawings for the two types of fencing that will be needed on the platform, ready to be laser cut in plastic. Peter Edited November 30, 2020 by kirtleypete 11 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Pete, Brilliant modelling as ever, Cheers David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) I've done the dry brushing so I think it's time to move on to the next model. I often leave a model for a day or two and then go back to it, it's surprising how often something needs doing that I missed originally. The windows have all had two coat of satin varnish - I thought gloss would look too shiny. The right hand dome looks very odd from this angle as it is basically floating in the air! The reason is that the roof needs to be removable in case we need to inset a pillar or girders for the overall roof and if I complete the dome it won't be possible to remove the roof; once that is done the roof can be fixed on place and the bottom of the dome filled in. The next job is the footbridge. Peter Edited December 1, 2020 by kirtleypete 12 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) A plea for help - as I'm an O gauge modeller I'm not familiar with the 4mm accessory market. Does anyone produce NER water tank panels? If not I'll get them laser cut, but if I can just buy some it will be much easier. While the roof parts are being done I'm going to build the water tank/pump house complex that stood by the Scarborough line. Added later - I think I may have found some by CWrailways.com ... they look to be just the job. Thanks, Peter Edited December 1, 2020 by kirtleypete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) The footbridge has been making progress. The model is all plastic: The crucial thing was to get the height correct against the signal box. Peter Edited December 2, 2020 by kirtleypete 8 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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