IncorrectlySpelt Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Hi everyone, I'm making myself a BR 4-EPB (set around 1962) from mainly from replica bodies, and im not sure on a what bogies to use, Im currently thinking about replica B4 bogies for the unpowered bogies, they look the best match to me but im not sure on this For the power bogie Im thinking of a tenshodo motor bogie with Dart Castings B4 sideframes & the unpowered one out of a replica bogie with the same components, anyone have any better ideas for motive power as I cant find a BIL motor bogie anywhere? Thanks in advance, Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 B4 bogies would be wrong for the EPB (there was some that were removed for use with express stock, but these were iirc 2EPB and fitted with commonwealth bogies. For the EPB use the BR1 bogie bolster, if needed the springs can be modified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crompton 33 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) Lendons of cardiff show 2bil bogie and motor to order. http://www.lendonsmodelshop.co.uk/index.asp?redirect=&q=2+bill&searchwhere=On-Lendons-Website&condition=or&highlighted=on Edited January 17, 2021 by crompton 33 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted January 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2021 21 minutes ago, crompton 33 said: Lendons of cardiff show 2bill bogie and motor to order. http://www.lendonsmodelshop.co.uk/index.asp?redirect=&q=2+bill&searchwhere=On-Lendons-Website&condition=or&highlighted=on Don't know why Lendon's describe it as "2 Bill" instead of 2-BIL, but the bogie part number is X6575 . Also don't know how they sell it for £9.80 when everyone else is saying around £30. Just a bit miffed as I bought one from Peter's Spares for £28 (a good price I thought) and only later discovered the Lendon's price..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIK Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, IncorrectlySpelt said: Hi everyone, I'm making myself a BR 4-EPB (set around 1962) from mainly from replica bodies, and im not sure on a what bogies to use, Im currently thinking about replica B4 bogies for the unpowered bogies, they look the best match to me but im not sure on this For the power bogie Im thinking of a tenshodo motor bogie with Dart Castings B4 sideframes & the unpowered one out of a replica bogie with the same components, anyone have any better ideas for motive power as I cant find a BIL motor bogie anywhere? Thanks in advance, Adam Hi, I think some 4-EPBs were upgraded for 90mph running but not until well after 1962. So for 1962 an older BR(SR) bogie would have probably been used. An alternative to the Hornby 2-BIL motor bogie is the Replica Railways motorised chassis types - there might be one that suits the 4-EPB. However the 2-BIL bogie probably has a 5 pole skew wound motor whereas the last time I looked the Replica Chassis standard was a pair of 3 pole straight wound motors although they may have 5 pole motors as an option if you phone them. I've done speed tests with the Tensdodo motor bogie and it starts to run out of 'steam' with more than 2 coaches. Regards Nick Edited January 16, 2021 by NIK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncorrectlySpelt Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 hours ago, cheesysmith said: B4 bogies would be wrong for the EPB (there was some that were removed for use with express stock, but these were iirc 2EPB and fitted with commonwealth bogies. For the EPB use the BR1 bogie bolster, if needed the springs can be modified. Thanks for filling me in about the bogies, I'll get them from replica with the bodies cheesysmith 1 hour ago, crompton 33 said: Lendons of cardiff show 2bill bogie and motor to order. http://www.lendonsmodelshop.co.uk/index.asp?redirect=&q=2+bill&searchwhere=On-Lendons-Website&condition=or&highlighted=on They only have a preorder available at 10% of the price so I've put a pound down to reserve one Nick, thanks for the information about the tenshodo motor bogies, I think they're best avoided then and the replica chassis is bit out of my price range unfortunately. It does look rather useful, an all in 1 solution and with a DCC socket for when I do upgrade to DCC Thanks for the help everyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Try a search for replica 4epb rmweb 5bel in Google.it should bring up the blog where 5bel on here did one. Cannot post the link as working off my tablet ATM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Definitely NOT B4 bogies. The 2Bil Hornby motor bogie with a much thinned down shoebeam will do as I think the 4EPBs had 8' 9" Mk3 motor bogies. Trailer bogies would have been 8' 6" BR bogies similar to a B1 but with differing centre bolster springing. I think MJT still do a cast MB sideframe. Better still would be bogies from a Bachmann 2Epb. Trailer bogies often available from that parts supplier in Kent. Can't remember their name just now. Here's a motor bogie picture. Dave. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, NIK said: Hi, I think some 4-EPBs were upgraded for 90mph running but not until well after 1962. So for 1962 an older BR(SR) bogie would have probably been used. I think the only change was to the gearing anyway, so the bogies would still look the same. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted January 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2021 25 minutes ago, dasatcopthorne said: Definitely NOT B4 bogies. The 2Bil Hornby motor bogie with a much thinned down shoebeam will do as I think the 4EPBs had 8' 9" Mk3 motor bogies. Trailer bogies would have been 8' 6" BR bogies similar to a B1 but with differing centre bolster springing. I think MJT still do a cast MB sideframe. Better still would be bogies from a Bachmann 2Epb. Trailer bogies often available from that parts supplier in Kent. Can't remember their name just now. Here's a motor bogie picture. Dave. Many Bachmann 2EPB parts can be obtained direct from Bachmann themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIK Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Titan said: I think the only change was to the gearing anyway, so the bogies would still look the same. Hi, I was thinking of the units converted for Eastbourne services which I read on this forum received B5 bogies as well as express gearing. However I'm not sure if these are mentioned on the Blood and Custard website. Regards Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Bird Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, NIK said: I've done speed tests with the Tensdodo motor bogie and it starts to run out of 'steam' with more than 2 coaches. Edited January 17, 2021 by Les Bird Incorrect information on my part Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 I've never heard of 4Epb units being converted to run to Eastbourne. Not the gearing or the bogies. I believe some 2 car units (can't remember whether Epb or Hap) had their gearing changed though. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, dasatcopthorne said: I believe some 2 car units (can't remember whether Epb or Hap) had their gearing changed though The 2-HAPs were all 90mph ‘mainline’ units anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 51 minutes ago, eastwestdivide said: The 2-HAPs were all 90mph ‘mainline’ units anyway. I did say Or. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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