David Bell Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 This is lovely modelling of a very attractive prototype. Cheers David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Cree Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, David Bell said: This is lovely modelling of a very attractive prototype. Cheers David Thank you David! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I remember articles and drawings of The Southwold railway appearing in the model press a lifetime ago. I think in MRC in the eighties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Cree Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 20 hours ago, David Bell said: I remember articles and drawings of The Southwold railway appearing in the model press a lifetime ago. I think in MRC in the eighties. There does seem to be a steady stream of information about the Railway, even with the fact that it closed nearly 100 years ago! I still don't know why it's hardly ever modelled.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Cree Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 Nearly there. Needs a LOT of neatening up. Need to repaint the handrails and some of the Chassis where the paint went weird. Not completely happy with the painting of the wood on the balcony. Just the chain, roof and interior and window detailing left to do. Only another 5 to go.... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Looks pretty good to me! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Cree Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 Chain on. Hopfully some weathering will blend it down. 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium zarniwhoop Posted February 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2021 Nice work, an interesting prototype. I suspect the reason it is not commonly modelled is that in 4mm scale it needs 12mm gauge, which is less commonly available (and needs more 'engineering' to get working locos when compared to 009), and for those who like roundy-round layouts it needs a bit more space. Even the Isle of Man has few layouts although kits for stock (and unpowered locos) are available. I have a feeling that I saw a TTn3 (British TT, i.e. approx 1:100 scale) Southwold model at an exhibition somewhere 3 or 4 years ago. ĸen 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Cree Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 7 hours ago, zarniwhoop said: Nice work, an interesting prototype. I suspect the reason it is not commonly modelled is that in 4mm scale it needs 12mm gauge, which is less commonly available (and needs more 'engineering' to get working locos when compared to 009), and for those who like roundy-round layouts it needs a bit more space. Even the Isle of Man has few layouts although kits for stock (and unpowered locos) are available. I have a feeling that I saw a TTn3 (British TT, i.e. approx 1:100 scale) Southwold model at an exhibition somewhere 3 or 4 years ago. ĸen Thanks Ken! Yes that's the struggle I'm realising. The wheel sets that parskide Dundas used to do seem to be none existent. I've source etched Chassis and Alan gibson wheels for my locos, but it's going to be a test for me to build them! I'm more confident at building 4mm/7mm standard Gauge Chassis. I have seen people use the loco kits for their 009 layouts. But the coaches, wagons and kits for all the loco's are available. So even if someone didn't want to do the exact prototypical 12mm/TT scale track route, it would still capture the Railway if it was done in 009, making sourcing chassis for the loco's and stock easier. You may have seen one of Stewart Greens layouts? He's the only other modeller I know who Models the Southwold to a prototypical standard. lewis 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted February 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2021 Looking forward to seeing this project develop, I'm very keen on the Southwold Railway myself. Cheers, Dave. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted February 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2021 If anyone wants to find them, Pete Kazer's "Blythburgh" layout was featured in NG&I Review No.105, and Stewart Green's "Southwold" in 108 Cheers, Dave. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted February 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2021 8 hours ago, zarniwhoop said: I suspect the reason it is not commonly modelled is that in 4mm scale it needs 12mm gauge, which is less commonly available (and needs more 'engineering' to get working locos when compared to 009), and for those who like roundy-round layouts it needs a bit more space. Even the Isle of Man has few layouts although kits for stock (and unpowered locos) are available. 57 minutes ago, Lewis Cree said: Yes that's the struggle I'm realising. The wheel sets that parskide Dundas used to do seem to be none existent. I've source etched Chassis and Alan gibson wheels for my locos, but it's going to be a test for me to build them! I'm more confident at building 4mm/7mm standard Gauge Chassis. If you are going to rely on existing N-gauge chassis then yes, its easier, provided there is something suitable. But if you are going to build your own loco chassis then the wider the gauge, the simpler it gets. Highlevel Kits produce "Slimliner" gearboxes, specifically aimed at 3mm scale modellers. Cheers, Dave. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Cree Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DLT said: Looking forward to seeing this project develop, I'm very keen on the Southwold Railway myself. Cheers, Dave. Thanks dave! Me too! I'm in the process of just cracking on with the rolling stock at the moment whilst I wait for the baseboards to arrive. Im planning to Model this section if the line. Not much info or photographs on it, but I like the idea of what's in my head to capture the essence of a small Narrow Gauge Railway dwarfed by marshes. Although i may have made it hard for myself as the backscene is all flat marshes as far as the eye can see, so will be interesting trying to create that illusion. Although is hoping the eye level view of the embankment might help with that. Lewis I know the photo with the train on the embankment is coming up to wenhaston, but it gives an idea of the atmosphere I'm going to try and create. Edited February 28, 2021 by Lewis Cree 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Asterix2012 Posted February 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2021 Hi Lewis I am following your progress with interest. I must admit I have also been fascinated by the Southwold since the article appeared back in the eighties when I was a teenager. I have acquired a Golden Arrow kit for one of the sharp Stewart engines, but unfortunately now that nine lines have stopped trading I only managed to pick up 4 of the 4 wheeled wagon kits they made. I did look into wheels and such and found a possible alternative to Gibson on this forum https://ngrm-online.com/index.php?/forums/topic/26586-golden-arrow-southwold-2-4-02-4-2t-kit/&tab=comments#comment-672398 you have to get a free login to view above so here is the relevant info Suggested drivers 10.5mm wheels from the 3mm Society. They're listed as "105/10 3' 6" 10.5 mm 10 spoke pin between 2.5 mm throw generic “industrial” You'll need to be a member to order https://sites.google.com/site/3mmpublic/tools-and This was also suggested “The Branchlines IOM Beyer Peacock chassis kit bought minus etch provides all parts needed to add to the Golden Arrow etch. Just add another pony wheel to the list if you are making it as 2-4-2.“ However looking at your efforts I am wondering whether to stick with the Gibson wheels. I have a couple of questions Did you use the pony trucks provided on the Golden Arrow etch? Which gearbox and motor have you gone for? Actually I have a lot of questions these will do for now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Cree Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Asterix2012 said: Hi Lewis I am following your progress with interest. I must admit I have also been fascinated by the Southwold since the article appeared back in the eighties when I was a teenager. I have acquired a Golden Arrow kit for one of the sharp Stewart engines, but unfortunately now that nine lines have stopped trading I only managed to pick up 4 of the 4 wheeled wagon kits they made. I did look into wheels and such and found a possible alternative to Gibson on this forum https://ngrm-online.com/index.php?/forums/topic/26586-golden-arrow-southwold-2-4-02-4-2t-kit/&tab=comments#comment-672398 you have to get a free login to view above so here is the relevant info Suggested drivers 10.5mm wheels from the 3mm Society. They're listed as "105/10 3' 6" 10.5 mm 10 spoke pin between 2.5 mm throw generic “industrial” You'll need to be a member to order https://sites.google.com/site/3mmpublic/tools-and This was also suggested “The Branchlines IOM Beyer Peacock chassis kit bought minus etch provides all parts needed to add to the Golden Arrow etch. Just add another pony wheel to the list if you are making it as 2-4-2.“ However looking at your efforts I am wondering whether to stick with the Gibson wheels. I have a couple of questions Did you use the pony trucks provided on the Golden Arrow etch? Which gearbox and motor have you gone for? Actually I have a lot of questions these will do for now. Hi, Its a fascinating little Railway, with quite a lot of information on it, it's just a shame when modelling it some bits of info are just unavailable. Its a shame NineLines have stopped trading. I'm sure I read somewhere it was due to family circumstances, but I don't know the full reasoning and wether we'all ever see the kits produced again. Saying that, I did commission Worlsey works to make brass etched for most of the wagons, and he has them available on his website, as well as the kits for the coaches. Golden Arrow also makes resin kits for the 6 wheel wagons and the vans and some 4 wheels, but I think at the moment he is making a new moulding for the 6 wheel wagons. I shall have a look into all that. Alan Gibson was the closest I found, but there will always be others that eventually come up. Its the rolling stock wheels that seem to be a pain to get hold of! The only thing I don't like about the alan gibson wheels is that you can't screw them to the axle and get the quartering done instantly. Its a 'once they're glued to the axle that's it!' Can't take the Chassis/wheels apart and have a fiddle and screw into all back together like with Romford wheels. So I'm not looking forward to that. They're just the closest I could find to the prototype look and size. The pony trucks I'm still having a think over. I've added a more prototypical running place and buffer beams to my model of Southwold, so I've had to modify and shorten the Chassis to get it to fit. I've used the back pony truck, but I'm not to happy with it as the brass keeps bending, so I may alter it when I get round to actually finishing the Chassis. The front pony wheels I'm in the process of figuring out how to fix them. So I'll let young know my progress! I have an abundence of really small mashima motors that i that I intend to use so I'll see which I have again let you know. I think someone has helpfully mention above somthing about gearboxes, which I needn't to check out as I'm till in the process also of getting all my kits together to start building. Ask away! I'm more than happy to try and answer any questions! Regards, Lewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Cree Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 5 hours ago, DLT said: If you are going to rely on existing N-gauge chassis then yes, its easier, provided there is something suitable. But if you are going to build your own loco chassis then the wider the gauge, the simpler it gets. Highlevel Kits produce "Slimliner" gearboxes, specifically aimed at 3mm scale modellers. Cheers, Dave. Thanks Dave , i shall check those out. not looking forward to using the Alan Gibson wheels as you can't screw them together like you can with Romford wheels, and I've not worked with them before. So it's new terrotory for me, in a smaller scale! Lewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikcdab Posted February 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2021 This is an excellent layout, I've always been fascinated by the southwold railway. You've done a great job. One of the things I like about this sort of modelling, is that you can model the entire rolling stock easily. Build 5 coaches and that's it. Job done. I look forward to seeing more! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Asterix2012 Posted February 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2021 Hi Lewis Thanks for your response I will follow up on the suggestions re Branchlines for the pony trucks and the 3mm society wheels and let you know how I go with that. I did find a source of wagon and coach wheels when I was looking last year, I will need to backtrack and see what they were. Regarding the gearbox I was thinking one of the high level slim liner compact ones thanks mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Cree Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Asterix2012 said: Hi Lewis Thanks for your response I will follow up on the suggestions re Branchlines for the pony trucks and the 3mm society wheels and let you know how I go with that. I did find a source of wagon and coach wheels when I was looking last year, I will need to backtrack and see what they were. Regarding the gearbox I was thinking one of the high level slim liner compact ones thanks mark No worries Mark, Always handy to share tips and ideas! Yes that would be great. I have kits for all the coaches and wagons, and I have kits for all the loco's, with Chassis and wheels. But all that's left is to source a small enough motor and gear box so that would be helpful if you find anything suitable. The pictures below are what I'm using for the wagon and coach rolling stock. Not sure if they're still in production, as I've searched and searched and haven't found any. But I will be needing A LOT, if I'm to be modelling the whole of the rolling stock! Yes i I think I'll be checking them out, Lewis Edited February 28, 2021 by Lewis Cree 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Cree Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, ikcdab said: This is an excellent layout, I've always been fascinated by the southwold railway. You've done a great job. One of the things I like about this sort of modelling, is that you can model the entire rolling stock easily. Build 5 coaches and that's it. Job done. I look forward to seeing more! Thank you for the kind words! You would think it would be easy! But it's actually 11 6-wheeled coaches, 23 4-wheeled vehicles, and about 15 to 18 6-wheeled coal wagons. But the wheels seem to be out of production! I think I must be mad to attempt this! Regards, Lewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Asterix2012 Posted February 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Lewis Cree said: No worries Mark, Always handy to share tips and ideas! Yes that would be great. I have kits for all the coaches and wagons, and I have kits for all the loco's, with Chassis and wheels. But all that's left is to source a small enough motor and gear box so that would be helpful if you find anything suitable. The pictures below are what I'm using for the wagon and coach rolling stock. Not sure if they're still in production. But I will be needing A LOT, if I'm to be modelling the whole of the rolling stock! Yes i I think I'll be checking them out, Lewis Hi Lewis Regarding the wheels It was Gibson I was thinking of who still have them in the catalogue page 39 “We produce a small range of wheels for narrow gauge, which are constructed in the same manner as our other 4mm carriage and wagon wheels. Since there are a number of permutations it may be easier to give the details of the ‘building blocks’ rather than specific items (at least until we devise a parts coding for them). Axles - 1.5mm diameter pinpoint axles which are either 15mm or 20mm long are provided Gauges – We currently assemble wheelsets to OO9 and OOn3 Wheels – 8mm 8mm Disc Wheels –9mm 9mm Disc Wheels – 10.5mm 10.5mm Disc 8mm 6 Hole Disc 9mm 3 Hole Disc 10.5mm 8 Spoke 8mm 8 Spoke 9mm 8 Spoke 10.5mm 10 Spoke” sorry the formatting is a bit off in my phone I am not sure of the current stock situation though Edited February 28, 2021 by Asterix2012 Adding information 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted February 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2021 Have you investigated the 3mm Society, for 12mm gauge products, wheels etc? The have a new website here: https://sites.google.com/site/3mmpublic/ And their old website here: http://s116425720.websitehome.co.uk/ Lots of products, including loco driving wheels, self-quartering on square-ended axles. For fitting Gibson wheels, a GW Models wheel-press is a highly recommended tool, discussion here: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/63633-gw-models-wheel-press-quartering-jig/&tab=comments#comment-829360 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Cree Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, DLT said: Have you investigated the 3mm Society, for 12mm gauge products, wheels etc? The have a new website here: https://sites.google.com/site/3mmpublic/ And their old website here: http://s116425720.websitehome.co.uk/ Lots of products, including loco driving wheels, self-quartering on square-ended axles. For fitting Gibson wheels, a GW Models wheel-press is a highly recommended tool, discussion here: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/63633-gw-models-wheel-press-quartering-jig/&tab=comments#comment-829360 I shall have a look into all that! Ive sort of took a nose dive into modelling the Southwold Prototypical during the loco down, so I had a big dash of buying up a lot of kits and kit parts, and now I'm slowly discovering all the extra/better suppliers of the things I need. Luckily I haven't constructed the Chassis yet, and the wheels didn't set me back much, so there's still time to change, as at the moment I'm cracking on with the wagons and coaches. But i appreciate the links. I wish I had your knowledge of Narrow Gauge suppliers! Lewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Cree Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, Asterix2012 said: Hi Lewis Regarding the wheels It was Gibson I was thinking of who still have them in the catalogue page 39 “We produce a small range of wheels for narrow gauge, which are constructed in the same manner as our other 4mm carriage and wagon wheels. Since there are a number of permutations it may be easier to give the details of the ‘building blocks’ rather than specific items (at least until we devise a parts coding for them). Axles - 1.5mm diameter pinpoint axles which are either 15mm or 20mm long are provided Gauges – We currently assemble wheelsets to OO9 and OOn3 Wheels – 8mm 8mm Disc Wheels –9mm 9mm Disc Wheels – 10.5mm 10.5mm Disc 8mm 6 Hole Disc 9mm 3 Hole Disc 10.5mm 8 Spoke 8mm 8 Spoke 9mm 8 Spoke 10.5mm 10 Spoke” sorry the formatting is a bit off in my phone I am not sure of the current stock situation though I never realised they did those. No 8.0mm 6 Spoke though. As I want to be awkward and be as prototypical as possible. I may get some of the 8.0mm 8 Spoke ones though as they were used as the pony trucks on the loco's, and not 6 Spoke which I'm using at the moment. Lewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Cree Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) Transfers going on. Unfortunately the rest of the supplies for the Coach transfers are still being produced, so this is as far as I can go at the moment. Looking okay I guess. Just needs weathering after the rest of the lettering is on, then I can crack on with modelling the interior and finish painting and fitting the roof. Edited February 28, 2021 by Lewis Cree 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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