geoedlegg Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I cannot seem to find sufficient information regarding coaching formations during the big 4 era for the Southern Railway, I find a lot of stuff that I fear is BR orientated, and didn't want to assume it was the same. can anyone help out? I am interested in Maunsell and Bulleid formations, and am also curious to know if the coach types were ever mixed? Thanks alot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted July 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) I cannot seem to find sufficient information regarding coaching formations during the big 4 era for the Southern Railway, I find a lot of stuff that I fear is BR orientated, and didn't want to assume it was the same. can anyone help out? I am interested in Maunsell and Bulleid formations, and am also curious to know if the coach types were ever mixed? Thanks alot Download the excel file here. https://sremg.org.uk/coach/sets.html It covers both the Southern Railway and BR(S) era as well as a bit of pre-grouping and is a fantastic resource for the modeller. If you highlight everything and sort by 'column E' it will put the sets in date order. As for mixed sets - No generally most sets were of the same type (e.g all Maunsell's) but WW2 losses could have produced the occasional oddity. A more likely is that a Maunsell open third strengthener got tucked inside Bullied set, or a 3 car Maunsell set got coupled to a 3 car Bullied set to make up a 6 car rake. Edited July 28, 2021 by phil-b259 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Train Thing Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=460 Maybe one of these will be helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Occasionally a different type of coach was inserted into a set as a temporary replacement when a coach was taken out for maintenance purposes. In BR days, the odd BR standard mark 1 got put into a Bulleid set, for example, but the substitution was only temporary. Photos of such things do exist in some of the colour albums, but are not common. Later still, in the md 1960s sets were being disbanded and mixed around, but the brake coaches still bore their previous set numbers in service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted July 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2021 In the Southern era sets were the thing. Their formations were fixed, and a vehicle defect generally sidelined the whole set. Yes, there were 'loose' vehicles, but they were much in the minority, and were used for strengthenings and things like the BCKs used to provide through seats from Waterloo to every tuppeny-halfpenny West Country terminus. That spreadsheet from phil-b259 is a wonderful resource and contains a ton of useful detail. Note that FKs were mainly used on busy commuter routes and prestige services where first class was popular, lesser routes might have a set with a CK instead. Almost every set was bookended by brake vehicles - even the 2-sets P had a brake each end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 30, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2021 Remember there were hardly any actual Bulleid designed and built Steam Hauled Set Coaches running until the very end of 1945 and during 1946. By Big Four do you mean ore 1948 or the Big 4 post 1948 and that was British Railways of course. There were plenty of refurbished Sets but not pure Bulleids. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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