RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, jamie92208 said: You could always have one of those vertical fiddle yards that moves up and down in place of one or more roads in the existing one. Our village baguette macine has a similar system inside. Jamie Having seen the lever frame. I'm sure Howard could knock up a similar contraption up with ease! Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Apologies if you didn't mean interesting in a slightly sarcastic way It was both slightly ironic (deadpan) and also a reflection on the fact that NPCS is genuinely interesting to me. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leander Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 21 hours ago, leopardml2341 said: Where do you suggest they go then Pete? - Polite answers only As if I'd be anything but polite! The NPCCSs tend to be 'dumped' in road 2 in the SFY. In my view, more could be stabled in the north and south carriage sidings, especially the latter. photographs show that this was frequently the case in the early 1960s. One of JE's list of jobs 'to do' is the rosters for the parcels stock. I guess when he's done that we'll have a bit more clarity. I've got nothing at all against NPCCS vehicles. In fact my favourite period of the 24 hour sequence is when the local passenger services cease and the WTT is dominated by overnight Class 1 workings which conveyed a mix of passenger and parcels stock, and the class 3 parcels workings. There are photos taken of several of the daytime class 3s, notably the mid-afternoon 'Heysham parcels'. Photos of the overnight workings are rare for obvious reasons. We'd like to illustrate these here but of course it's tricky taking photos in the dark! My favourite working that we've come across during research was a Blackpool North - Leeds City South train that was routed via Manchester Exchange and took the Micklehurst Loop between Stalybridge and Diggle. A van was transferred at Leeds from City South to City North to be added to a Leeds-Derby Class 3 leaving in the early hours. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAB Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Having seen the lever frame. I'm sure Howard could knock up a similar contraption up with ease! Mike. Funny you should say that ... The non-engineers amongst us remain unconvinced of reliability. Come to think of it, the engineers are not so sure either ... Best Wishes, Howard 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold lezz01 Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2020 Very nice Howard. I have something similar in mind for a Nailsworth layout because of the different levels between the platform and goods yard. It may just remain an idea unfortunately as I don't have the room. Regards Lez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxUnpopuli Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 That looks workable, but not quite as smooth a ride as a traditional paternoster lift. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternoster_lift Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAB Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, FoxUnpopuli said: ...not quite as smooth a ride as a traditional paternoster lift. ... which is where the design came from - I have a view that when designing anything for a model railway, the best place to start is with the real thing! In fact, the first time I rode on a paternoster was not far from the location of The Laird's layout! The problem with all devices like this is that they have to be VERY well engineered to work at all - let alone reliably - the tolerances on individual components have to be extremely tight as errors are cumulative - as is wear. And that problem gets worse as storage space increases. Bear in mind that the storage roads have to be about 3.3m long to accomodate the longest trains - so no easy answers here! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2020 The Paternoster in the Lecture Block at Leeds were scary as, on occasion they stopped working... noy good if you were stuck in it... This looks an elegant engineering suggestion but...there must be an easier way of doing it. Baz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 hours ago, HAB said: Funny you should say that ... The non-engineers amongst us remain unconvinced of reliability. Come to think of it, the engineers are not so sure either ... Best Wishes, Howard There's only one way to find out Howard! 2 hours ago, Barry O said: This looks an elegant engineering suggestion but...there must be an easier way of doing it. Baz Maybe, but nowhere as much fun! Mike. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Barry O said: The Paternoster in the Lecture Block at Leeds were scary as, on occasion they stopped working... noy good if you were stuck in it... This looks an elegant engineering suggestion but...there must be an easier way of doing it. Baz You mentioned Leeds (well, another bit of leeds), how could the tray conveyer in the canteen at the grammar school be used? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, Worsdell forever said: You mentioned Leeds (well, another bit of leeds), how could the tray conveyer in the canteen at the grammar school be used? well it is on 3 levels and does go round and round and has a way of elevating trays...not sure about using it for trains though... Baz PS missed the breakfasts last weekend...pah! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Barry O said: The Paternoster in the Lecture Block at Leeds were scary as, on occasion they stopped working... noy good if you were stuck in it... This looks an elegant engineering suggestion but...there must be an easier way of doing it. Baz There was one in the staff only area of Schofield's department store in Leeds. I got onto it by accident once and thought it brilliant. Would be very appropriate for the layout. Jamie Edited October 31, 2020 by jamie92208 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ianathompson Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Worsdell forever said: The Paternoster in the Lecture Block at Leeds were scary Come on! They were easy to get on and off. If it jammed you just stepped off the platform. Surely everyone has been over the top or through the bottom of these things?! Unless Leeds had special ones unavailable to Birmingham University. Having done summer research at Leeds Uni I can't say that I was fazed. Ian T 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, ianathompson said: Come on! They were easy to get on and off. If it jammed you just stepped off the platform. Surely everyone has been over the top or through the bottom of these things?! Unless Leeds had special ones unavailable to Birmingham University. Having done summer research at Leeds Uni I can't say that I was fazed. Ian T They kept breaking down.. generally due to people trying to jam the mechanisms with books etc.the scary bit was getting out if they stopped... Baz 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted October 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2020 13 hours ago, Barry O said: The Paternoster in the Lecture Block at Leeds were scary as, on occasion they stopped working... noy good if you were stuck in it... This looks an elegant engineering suggestion but...there must be an easier way of doing it. Baz One of the "Freshers' Initiation Rituals" was to go "over the top" in a paternoster. Me, I decided that discretion was the better part of valour and chickened out. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheLaird Posted October 31, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2020 In between its normal duties shuttling expresses between Leeds and Bradford, one of Manninghams 4MTT's is diagrammed for carriage warming duties. In this case, 42093 is keeping the southbound Leeds Sleepers cosy whilst they await the arrival of the train engine. Despite the background, the time is actually just past midnight and the two carriages have been positioned at the end of P6 since about 2230. This is to allow the passengers to occupy their berths from 2300 onwards. The two coaches will be added to the up sleeping car service 1M98 from Glasgow when it calls into Leeds at 0212. 34 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MrSimon Posted November 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 1, 2020 Great shot, I’m enjoying seeing the layout come to life. This might be a silly question; would the two sleeping cars be shunted onto the main train with the passengers in their bunks? Cheers Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted November 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, MrSimon said: would the two sleeping cars be shunted onto the main train with the passengers in their bunks? Yes! Still happens today with the Caledonian sleepers. Paul. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheLaird Posted November 2, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) Just to complete the story of the Up Leeds Sleepers and to answer one of the comments, the following pics show the full sequence of events. D115 has been rostered to take the combined train forward and so has relieved 42093 of its Steam Heating duties. Shortly before the main train arrives, D115 draws the Leeds portion out on to the South Departure, beyond station limits. This move would not normally be allowed as there is no brake vehicle, however, the sectional appendix H2 gives specific exemption between LCW and LCJ for up to two passenger carrying vehicles to be worked this way. The main train arrives via the South Arrival, hauled by Jubilee 45611 Hong Kong. The train of 9 coaches (BSK-2xSK-CK-SLSTP-2xSLF-2xBG) arrives in P6 at 0212 and the Jubilee uncoupled. D115 propels the Leeds portion (SLF-SLSTP) on to the rear of the Glasgow train forming an 11 coach formation, the longest train of the day. This again is an unusual move for the time and is permitted by the sectional appendix table F, propelling of vehicles without a brake van and carrying passengers, between LCJ and LCW. The train stands for only 11 minutes in the station and is due out at 0223. I wonder if it could be done that quickly today!! Edited November 2, 2020 by TheLaird 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_H Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Excellent .... although I'm not too sure what is meant by "SH duties"? Also, I seem to remember that you are pretty good with a camcorder John, a la 'Bradfield Gloucester Square', it would be nice to see the above movement on video, I'm sure it would give you a welcomed break from ballasting Incidenteally, how is the ballasting going, it's a very big area and how are you doing it, perhaps just flooding the area with pva then sprinkle? best regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanius Anglesmith Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, Ian_H said: Excellent .... although I'm not too sure what is meant by "SH duties"? Just a guess, steam heating? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_H Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Just now, Titanius Anglesmith said: Just a guess, steam heating? Sounds good! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheLaird Posted November 25, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2020 Regular visitors to this thread will recall that my current plan is to complete the structures and scenic stuff on the rear part of the station boards. So having run a few trains its time to get the job done! Having completed the carriage cleaning platforms the next task was to do the backscene. One of the reasons for doing the layout in the orientation that it is, was because the train shed of the south side joint station formed a nice imposing backdrop to this area. First job then was to construct this in low relief as per the first pic below. Having done that, I realised that it was not very imposing and really needed the roof. The roof would cover the City South fiddle yard that runs behind the backscene so a job that I have been putting off for some time needed doing first, the sector plate for loco release at the end of the FY roads ( see second pic). Once that was complete I could get on with the task of constructing the roof. I think you will agree that it fits the "imposing" requirement quite well (pic no3). Quality of pics not great as all quick snaps on the Mob, better ones to follow in due course. 44 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheLaird Posted December 1, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2020 It's grewsome!! The final part of the City South trainshed completed forming a nice backdrop to the station area. All that work on the canopies almost disappears and looks quite insignificant now. Next job is back to some S&T, I have taken delivery of the control box for Wellington Signalbox so this needs installing and testing. 42 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Wow! Leeds City South trainshed was massive! Only ever experienced Leeds from the 80s onward and mostly from the eastern (York) end. Was it really white or was that glazing in reality? What was the reason behind the change from a longitudinal trainshed to the apexes at the end - a later addition? Really brings home the scale of these structures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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