Headstock Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: OK, best at stopping - quite possibly the most important performance measure for a heavy mineral engine! The steam brake equipped Thompson O1. The only 2-8-0 locomotive tested, that could bring a loaded and unfitted fifty mineral wagon freight train to a complete stop within section, while averaging the required thirty five miles per hour between Annesley and Woodford. Edited November 30, 2019 by Headstock 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, TrevorP1 said: All this talk of dangerous trolleys, the NEC staff should take a look at out local supermarket. Yep, I made the point about shopping trolleys at supermarkets (several pages back now) and also luggage trolleys at airports and barrows at stations and . . . . It seems they're all allowed and mostly operated by the public. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbishop Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, Headstock said: The steam brake equipped Thompson O1. The only 2-8-0 locomotive tested, that could bring a loaded and unfitted fifty mineral wagon freight train to a complete stop within section, while averaging the required thirty five miles per hour between Annesley and Woodford. But not around in 1917. Bill 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Going back a couple of days, 63770 of Colwick was mentioned by Clem, a regular through New Basford in the early 60s when I spent many days there. This is my version using a Little Engines kit, I know the bogie wheels are under size but using the correct ones meant they jam under the over thick white metal footplate. 13 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted November 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2019 Please can we have a photo of a model of one gleaming new in Great Central goods engine livery! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted November 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Tony Wright said: I know they're a real fiddle, and I'm very lucky to have had the services of Mick Nicholson, Graham Nicholas and Tony Gee to make/make-work my signals, but why is signalling such an 'Aunt Sally' in the hobby? Too difficult? To hard to make? Too hard to make them work? Too fragile? Too expensive if built by others? Regards, Tony. As already suggested, all of the above. 30 years ago my French layout had working signals - French banner signals operated with wire not in tube. A very simple arrangement and an absolute pain. I was seemingly constantly repairing them. Signals at best are vulnerable - hands of god (I know they should not happen, but even on the best regulated layouts...…), track cleaning before a running session, etc. but in an exhibition layout we have to add in damage during set up/break down; damage in transportation and so on. By todays standards these were very cheap indeed; a box of 5 from MKD as a kit for around £3.50, but the constant faffing to repair and adjust was a PITA. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted November 30, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 hours ago, PMP said: All of the above I suspect. Ah, Paul, But when signals are done properly, they're properly-sited and they work, isn't it worth it? More examples to follow. Regards, Tony. 19 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted November 30, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2019 More signalling examples.................. 19 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted November 30, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2019 And even more.............. Pity about the lack of loco/tail lamps on some examples. 21 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted November 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2019 Lovely to see those shots of Kingstorre, Tony. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Barry Ten said: Lovely to see those shots of Kingstorre, Tony. It was a joy to photograph, Al. Regards, Tony. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted November 30, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2019 Having mentioned Little Bytham's working semaphores, I suppose I should illustrate them................ Thanks to Mick Nicholson, Graham Nicholas and Tony Gee for such lovely work on the big ones, and Roy Vinter for the ground dolls. 23 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted November 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Tony Wright said: Does this one look like a 'big plastic toy'? Reminds me of my Tri-ang Big Big Hymek... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted November 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2019 3 hours ago, PMP said: All of the above I suspect. Plus indifference and ignorance in some cases I suspect. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted November 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: Plus indifference and ignorance in some cases I suspect. .. and another word beginning with "in" that I couldn't remember earlier - indolence. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbridge Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Tony Wright said: More signalling examples.................. Lovely. But that bridge ending in mid air in the last 2 pictures looks weird. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted November 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2019 It's the signals that "make" the title sequence of Brief Encounter. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted December 1, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2019 What those signal photos do illustrate is a variety of length and position of the stripes on some model signal arms. I read somewhere that upper quadrant enamel finished arms were very consistent, with a 12" stripe at the end and a width of, I recall, 8" width of white on the front and black on the back of a full size stop arm. Some of those in the photos appear to match those sizes but others do not. Perhaps one of our tame signalling experts can confirm if they should vary or not. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknich2003 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 The British Railways drawing I have, Arm length 41 3/4 in, stripe 7in wide, leading edge 12 1/2in from end of arm. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, micknich2003 said: The British Railways drawing I have, Arm length 41 3/4 in, stripe 7in wide, leading edge 12 1/2in from end of arm. I've just measured the signal arm I have in my garage from New Basford, although I know which post it came from I don't know it's designation, possibly up advanced starter? From the outer end it's 12 3/8th inches to the white stripe which is 7inches wide followed by another 22 1/4 inches of red. As my car is there at the moment I can't turn it round to check the back but presume it's similar. It's marked BR(M) if memory serves. It's possible it's shorter than standard because the cutting was closing in rapidly at that point leading to Sherwood Rise tunnel. I also have the calling on arm from the exit from New Basford carriage sidings. Edit: having re read the quote I see it's pretty much standard size Edited December 1, 2019 by great central 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmund Kinder Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 I had a real push last year to build working Alan Gibson and MSE signals for my layout. Some of the examples shown below. I'd been sitting on most of these unmade kits for 15 years. 13 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Killybegs Posted December 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2019 I'll just add one of mine. Sorry no lamp on the brake van! All signals operated with Seep solenoids/ 18 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted December 1, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2019 8 hours ago, micknich2003 said: The British Railways drawing I have, Arm length 41 3/4 in, stripe 7in wide, leading edge 12 1/2in from end of arm. Thanks Mick, Interestingly, the black bands on the arms of the signals you've built for LB are in slightly different positions from those built by Graham Nicholas. Yours on the left, Graham's on the right. From this side, they appear to be the same. Speaking of Graham.................... Here he is installing the mechanisms to make Bytham's signals work. And they work really well, despite more than a 50% failure rate of the Veissman signal motors (now being addressed). He's installed the same systems on the beautiful signals he built for Grantham. Finally, Little Bytham's main line signals in context............. Beautiful examples of the modeller's art, and I'm very fortunate to have had such skills available to me. Also including the signal-making skills of Tony Gee (you made the posts for these). And Roy Vinter. Regards, Tony. 22 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Killybegs said: I'll just add one of mine. Sorry no lamp on the brake van! All signals operated with Seep solenoids/ Beautiful signals. Thanks for showing us. Have you had many (any) of the Seep solenoids fail? I've had over a dozen failures of them in as many years operating the fiddle yard points. Regards, Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post 31A Posted December 1, 2019 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2019 Some signals at Finsbury Square: They all work, but not by electricity and have now been properly 'planted' as per the last two pictures. This has been done by roughly cutting pieces of sandpaper to fit round the post & ladder and gluing them above the signal base plate, then painting to (try and) match the surrounding ground. Almost as niggling as the lack of working signals, is exposed base plates in holes in the ballast! I'm soon going to have to face up to making working discs .... 20 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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