Etched Pixels Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Does anyone know of any photos that are not distant shots of these vehicles in BR blue. I've built it, painted it and now realise I've got no idea where the numbers went, if it carried Parcels branding or any arrows of confusion ! The photo of it in service doesn't really clarify much - other than the fact I've got the roof too dark 8(. It seems to have stuff one end but also in the centre low down and I've yet to find a view of the other side in blue at all. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tcs-pics/5839396777/ which itself is a parcels game of 'name the coach' Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalie Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Assuming it is the same vehicle type (ie not getting mixed up with sausage vans)- the flickr photo suggests it could be- there are two side-on views (one of each side) of one of the rail blue vehicles in David Larkin's "General Parcels Rolling Stock" which was a Bradford and Barton paperback. From what I can remember of the pics (I don't have access to them atm) there was no bodyside lettering/branding or double arrows and that the number was in the usual blue position (at the right hand side of the body) but formed of the early small style . I can't remember whether an 'M' suffix was carried or not. Next time I go to my house I shall phot the phots for you if of any help. Don't think any of the LMS coaches trilogy has shots of these in blue. Sorry I can't help anymore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 10, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 10, 2013 Hi Nat and Alan I happen to have the Larkin book on my desk. The photos are of M38998, no M suffix in unlined maroon livery. The text mentions it did get repainted blue. As for the rest of the train, I make it GWR Collet BG (dia?)/Fruit D/Thompson 6 wheeled B/BR CCT/SR PMV or CCT/BR CCT/LMS CCT/LMS Cream van/LMS GUV/BR GUV/SR CCT or PMV/BR GUV/LMS Stove R/ BR CCT/BR BG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted July 10, 2013 Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 Assuming it is the same vehicle type (ie not getting mixed up with sausage vans)- the flickr photo suggests it could be- there are two side-on views (one of each side) of one of the rail blue vehicles in David Larkin's "General Parcels Rolling Stock" which was a Bradford and Barton paperback. From what I can remember of the pics (I don't have access to them atm) there was no bodyside lettering/branding or double arrows and that the number was in the usual blue position (at the right hand side of the body) but formed of the early small style . I can't remember whether an 'M' suffix was carried or not. Next time I go to my house I shall phot the phots for you if of any help. Don't think any of the LMS coaches trilogy has shots of these in blue. Sorry I can't help anymore Thanks a lot - I was doubtful there were any images. There were some similar corridor sausage vans (going to make that variant later but in Palethorpes livery to complete the full set of LMS Palethorpes vans) as well as the bogie non-corridor, six and four wheelers (all of which I've made). Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted July 10, 2013 Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 Hi Nat and Alan I happen to have the Larkin book on my desk. The photos are of M38998, no M suffix in unlined maroon livery. The text mentions it did get repainted blue. Thanks - I've found a few photos of maroon but only that one of the blue. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalie Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Hi Clive Hi Nat and Alan I happen to have the Larkin book on my desk. The photos are of M38998, no M suffix in unlined maroon livery. The text mentions it did get repainted blue. As for the rest of the train, I make it GWR Collet BG (dia?)/Fruit D/Thompson 6 wheeled B/BR CCT/SR PMV or CCT/BR CCT/LMS CCT/LMS Cream van/LMS GUV/BR GUV/SR CCT or PMV/BR GUV/LMS Stove R/ BR CCT/BR BG I did say I wasn't sure but then I am sure that I have seen a photo of one of those LMS types that had full windows on one side in blue. Maybe it is one of the sausage vans I saw. I shall cling onto that possibility but would remind everybody that my psychiatrist (of two different types) and psychologist all claim that I have altered/distorted views of things- as well as being mad. It seems they maybe right.. The search goes on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 There have been colour photos of the Cream van in Backtrack. There are on-line indexes of the mag. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 Jan/Feb 93 apparently but the index doesn't say if it covers blue or not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 Its the test build of a kit. I've ordered the Backtrack issue and another relevant journal - not yet managed to borrow the Larkin book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 Its N scale and built around a 3D printed core so I think the price would be astronomical scaled up to OO. OTOH the sides are flat so you ought to be able to laser cut them in OO and scratch build the rest. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 26, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2013 To be honest EP, I wouldn't get too excited about the Larkin book, as the pics are obviously in B&W and the difference between the maroon and blue one ain't that great, and they are both taken from the end furthest away from number/letter panels. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted July 26, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2013 I have the David Larkin book at home and I am certain that it has two photos of the cream van:: one in crimson and the second in BR blue. It does indeed, showing the non-corridor side in blue in 1969 and the corridor side in unlined maroon in 1963 and notes it was still in service in '71. In the later photo the solebar appears to be blue, handbrake wheel white. The only lettering seems to be the number, about 1/4 of the way up the body side on the last panel at the right hand end of the vehicle, but there could be some load weight lettering below this, hard to say for certain. Would make quite a nice scratchbuild job (in 4mm anyway), possible based around a Bachmann 50' BG underframe/bogies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 27, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2013 LMS Standard Coaching Stock, Vol1, by Essery and Jenkinson, has a LMS Diagram for these vans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nig H Posted July 27, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2013 I think LMS Standard Coaching Stock, Vol1 has a slightly better copy of the blue livery pic in the Larkin book (plate 178 I think). Here are two pics of my attempt at modelling on of these vans, in 2 millimetre finescale. Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 All sorted I think now with the references provided and an LMS journal (which is also means I've got the experimental milk six wheeler brewing for next 3D prints) A lot more complicated than I anticipated getting all the variations of the body right, with the last of sausage vans being slightly different. I've also been busy scanning out of copyright sausage adverts and producing a set of vinyls for both the corridor and non-corridor one in LMS form. I can do the later lettering but I'm still trying to find the right sausages for it (I hadn't realised how many bazillion different sausage logos Palethorpes had!) Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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