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The photo I referred to was of a 6 wheel brake. There was a very obvious 'different colour' to the ends and 'just around the corner' of the sides. While it was (obviously) in black and white, the 'obvious' explanation would be vermilion ends, as used on various other lines. The snag is I have not so far found any documentary evidence. Sadly, this is not unusual. Even photos of brake vans are not two a penny. I have never seen a photo of an ex-LDEC brake, or of one of the more unusual GC types. (Diagram 65.) So we are doomed to a certain amount of guess work.

 

By the way, I had forgotten another variation. Fish vans (and according to some people similar NPCS) were originally brown with yellow GC lettering, not unlike the GW scheme for 'brown' vehicles. They were changed to grey at an unknown date, best estimate circa 1908. Given that these vehicles were not all repainted immediately, you could probably still get away with the odd brown fish van in 1912, although the chances are it would be covered in filth anyway, since the vehicles don't seem to have been washed on a regular basis. I have no suggestions as to how to produce the smell of rotting fish, except maybe add a small piece of old sardine to each one. :no:

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The photo I referred to was of a 6 wheel brake. There was a very obvious 'different colour' to the ends and 'just around the corner' of the sides. While it was (obviously) in black and white, the 'obvious' explanation would be vermilion ends, as used on various other lines. The snag is I have not so far found any documentary evidence. Sadly, this is not unusual. Even photos of brake vans are not two a penny. I have never seen a photo of an ex-LDEC brake, or of one of the more unusual GC types. (Diagram 65.) So we are doomed to a certain amount of guess work.

 

By the way, I had forgotten another variation. Fish vans (and according to some people similar NPCS) were originally brown with yellow GC lettering, not unlike the GW scheme for 'brown' vehicles. They were changed to grey at an unknown date, best estimate circa 1908. Given that these vehicles were not all repainted immediately, you could probably still get away with the odd brown fish van in 1912, although the chances are it would be covered in filth anyway, since the vehicles don't seem to have been washed on a regular basis. I have no suggestions as to how to produce the smell of rotting fish, except maybe add a small piece of old sardine to each one. :no:

So what was the weathering colour on fish vans, was it white like cattle vans due to the use of lime or .....?

 

lord flasheart, a constable.....any other requests, i am feeling in a generous mood.

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Bob parkhurst - now i remember, yes it was a hoot.

 

And now for the latest project, the coal cart.

 

It has the empty sacks, spade, hammer and bucket from prototype photos, the chains underneath were also added, in true modellers form. No idea what they do but they are on the photos. The driver seemed to be in either that position or ridding on the front swivel carriage. He still needs reigns and a whip........and of course the horse. I am thinking cart horse, (thanks for the advice), Things take a while to get to the states.

SWMBO kindly got me the cart for christmas, but not a horse to go with it.

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As for the name.... Like the Cluro castings factory, it is named after a friend who has assisted in the project, for which i am most grateful.

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I feel a couple of ballast bins coming on next.

Richard

 

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Hi Richard

 

Cheers mate. I hope when you get an 'orse you call it Lola, that will make my SWMBO happy as it her 'orse's name.

 

Mortimore was the coal merchant at Chippenham.

 

http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/museums/index.asp?page=image&mwsquery=%28{Institution}={WILTM:P}%29&mwsquery=%28{ImageFile}={P6209.jpg}%29

 

http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/museums/index.asp?page=image&mwsquery=%28{Institution}={WILTM:P}%29&mwsquery=%28{ImageFile}={P6210.jpg}%29

 

http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/museums/index.asp?page=image&mwsquery=%28{Institution}={WILTM:P}%29&mwsquery=%28{ImageFile}={P6214.jpg}%29

 

On Hanging Hill I had a Mortimore wagon in BR days with replacement planks and black patches. It was the depot rubbish wagon.

 

http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/museums/index.asp?page=image&mwsquery=%28{Institution}={WILTM:P}%29&mwsquery=%28{ImageFile}={P6215.jpg}%29

 

Adrian Full (AKA Hillside Depot) was kind enough to send me copies of a photo that is in Chippenham Museum of one of the Mortimore wagons many moons ago.

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Not every coal merchant had their own railway wagons, although there is no law saying you can't have an imaginary one. They often managed simply by hiring colliery wagons, or even railway company ones. (Actually they would very rarely use just their own wagons, except possibly in summer when demand was low.) They might also get their supplies via one of the big suppliers, like Stephenson Clarke, or a regional coal factor. Coal merchants ranged in size from one chap with a hand cart to quite substantial enterprises with many branches and a large number of employees.

 

Any road, that cart is a very nice job. Especially given it's in 4mm scale and thus rather tiny. 

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Le silence est grand et le reste est ferblese.

(Silence is great, and the rest is nothing) as the french would say

 

I will go with wood ballast bins.

 

finished article on here soon along with another couple POW

Being slowed down by having to make up 80 couplings, With 11 actions per couping to make it, it is slow and monotonous work..............but boy does it look good when hands free uncoupling can be done.

Richard

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Three latest things progressing the layout forward.

First up two POW wich are moving some aggrigate for road building.

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The underframes will need to be weathered slightly but i will leave them quite tidy in contrast to the coal wagons once they have all been through the works.

 

Then the ballast bins, but how to place them? One facing each track - yes. but next to each other medium distance apart or a long way apart?

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Lastly the reason everything has been so slow, the couplings which are being made up. All 80 of them.

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Just keep saying to yourself......there is a point to the couplings, there is a point to the couplings.......there is a point to the couplings

Richard

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I do like the cart, looks very nice. Is it one of the Dart Castings kits?

It is on the dart castings site, but it is under the shire scences brand, this means it is etched brass not white metal. it looks lighter but every angle and all depth needs to be formed by the builder, the wheels are in two bits, the axles are three folds to get the shape. It is worth soldering and cleaning up for strength for the best results. Stlll needs its horse.

I have just got hold of transfer paper so may re do the name to make it look better.

Richard

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I got an afternoon without the kids, it is amazing what can be achieved.

First up is some foresting, including some trees from my first layout from 20 years ago. They were ging to be thrown out, but a tweek here and there and some serious refoliageing and they seemed good enough to fit to the layout.

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The results of planting to follow

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So to playing trains, i am pleased with the affect. I know it is an unworked on Bachmann J11, but it will in time g through the works and detailled, but the basic loco and lining are first rate.

Also tried some new photographic angles.

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It is coming together. Only one untouched area : the goods yard which i will make a start on now.

Then ballasting and signalling to go

Oh and then little details.....stock....telegraph poles... does the list ever end?

No? great!....... more modeling to do.

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thanks for all the likes, it helps gives me a second opinion on the layouts progress.

Next up is the load for the rail and timber wagon, the rails are a scale two and a half feet short but who will know?....drat i have just told you.

 

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Then the goods yard has been worked on. To start with the entrance, gate, fence and scrub.

I am finding the camera gets distracte from the latest bit worked on and creates a whole picture, but then isn't that the purpose of the scenery?

 

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lastly my next bit to play around with........fences on the embankment. They are not fitted but are being trialled to see if they look organic, for realism.

 

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I seem to be on a role at the moment.

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more bushes added again from cast off from my first ever layout. Then they were rather unconvincing horsehair hedges, but take a pair of scissors to it and planting it around it gives small bushes,

 

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i might paint little flowers on some if the mood takes me to change from all green.

 

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I do have an issue with the bank not looking real, it is missing something. But what? Rocks? more plants?

definately will be cutting back the bushes comng down from the tree to the tracks, it just does not look right.

 

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Richard

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The most obvious addition would be a burnt patch. Platelayers often arranged for controlled fires to keep the foliage down. It also sometimes happened by accident due to a loco throwing out cinders. Cutting sides in steam days were surprisingly tidy, and the pre-group era I think the usual litter of old prams, bikes and beer cans would be most unlikely.

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Always sage advice thank you.

......and so to burning, will need to give this some thought as i live in a building which does not allow naked flames, fake burning will need to be done. I have a smoke wash i could put on but will need to find a picture or two of burnt banks to get it to look right.

Richard

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