What’s with TPE?

[TravisM]

I don’t know if this is 100% correct but I was talking earlier today with a TPE conductor about the Class 68’s and CAF Nova sets.  He told me that they are plagued with issues, mainly the copper wiring corroding.  He went on to say that there are at present two sets laid up with numerous electrical faults.

 

To further exacerbate the issue, CAF Spain are having a big falling out with CAF UK, basically because the coaches were built in Spain, they won’t tell CAF UK how to fix the problem.  Basically one of them has thrown their teddies out the pram!

 

There’s huge legal wrangling going on, but before anyone jumps up and says “they should have been built in the UK”, I think this is a one off problem but two divisions of the same company not talking to each other, just beggars belief.

[black and decker boy]

CAF have a pretty dire reputation (not just in U.K.), there have been issues with all of the U.K. fleets. The TPE mk5s do appear to be badly hit though, only 3 sets currently in use daily, mainly on York to Scarborough shuttles.

 

Apparently the saying cheap as f… is oft quoted 

 

it’s been reported elsewhere that the damages cap has been reached so there is no longer any financial leverage, purely reputational.

[rodent279]

2 hours ago, jools1959 said:

There’s huge legal wrangling going on, but before anyone jumps up and says “they should have been built in the UK”, I think this is a one off problem but two divisions of the same company not talking to each other, just beggars belief.

Nothing unusual about that, I can think of a couple of suppliers of ours that don't talk to themselves, and then there's the various different entities within the organisation I work for.....

[pete_mcfarlane]

9 minutes ago, rodent279 said:

Nothing unusual about that, I can think of a couple of suppliers of ours that don't talk to themselves, and then there's the various different entities within the organisation I work for.....

Especially if companies have expanded by buying other companies, and the people in the recent acquisition regard the new parent as a bunch of useless incompetents. 

[Davexoc]

11 minutes ago, rodent279 said:

Nothing unusual about that, I can think of a couple of suppliers of ours that don't talk to themselves, and then there's the various different entities within the organisation I work for.....

 

Yup, seen that with US, German and Japanese concerns. Usually the end user bypasses the local agency and goes to the OEM to get a better price. The equipment goes wrong and the end user contacts the local guys, who not having got a cut of the sale, aren't interested, and often have no knowledge of exactly what was supplied. Everyone gets upset, and eventually compromises have to be made.....

[spamcan61]

3 hours ago, jools1959 said:

two divisions of the same company not talking to each other, just beggars belief.

Most big  multi site / country companies I've worked with / for have been basically a bunch of warring fiefdoms.

[hmrspaul]

4 hours ago, jools1959 said:

I don’t know if this is 100% correct but I was talking earlier today with a TPE conductor about the Class 68’s and CAF Nova sets.  He told me that they are plagued with issues, mainly the copper wiring corroding.  He went on to say that there are at present two sets laid up with numerous electrical faults.

 

Does that explain why a set has been of the TPE Mk 5s has been sat in Holgate sidings, York for a week?

 

 

Paul

[pete_mcfarlane]

1 hour ago, Davexoc said:

 

Yup, seen that with US, German and Japanese concerns. Usually the end user bypasses the local agency and goes to the OEM to get a better price. The equipment goes wrong and the end user contacts the local guys, who not having got a cut of the sale, aren't interested, and often have no knowledge of exactly what was supplied. Everyone gets upset, and eventually compromises have to be made.....

A bit like buying from Hattons as they are ten quid cheaper, and then expecting the local model shop to fix it when it breaks...., 

[TravisM]

2 hours ago, spamcan61 said:

Most big  multi site / country companies I've worked with / for have been basically a bunch of warring fiefdoms.

I was led to believe that CAF (UK) was set up, from the ground up to do away with problems like these.  I can’t help but feel that TPE must be metaphorically banging their collective heads against a brick wall in despair.

[kevpeo]

16 hours ago, black and decker boy said:

CAF have a pretty dire reputation (not just in U.K.), there have been issues with all of the U.K. fleets. The TPE mk5s do appear to be badly hit though, only 3 sets currently in use daily, mainly on York to Scarborough shuttles.

 

Apparently the saying cheap as f… is oft quoted 

 

 

 

Not quite correct, four sets in passenger use, and one, sometimes two on training runs. But the last bit, well maybe ................  Kev.

[black and decker boy]

7 hours ago, kevpeo said:

 

Not quite correct, four sets in passenger use, and one, sometimes two on training runs. But the last bit, well maybe ................  Kev.

Ah, missed that uplift. These have been posted elsewhere as current diagrams:

 

Monday – Saturday

LT701

5F48 0438 Longsight – Manchester Victoria 0540
1F48 0554 Manchester Victoria – Liverpool Lime Street 0634
1E25 0654 Liverpool Lime Street – Scarborough 0949
1T66 1234 Scarborough – York 1325
1T35 1400 York – Scarborough 1449
1T78 1834 Scarborough – York 1924
1T47 2000 York – Scarborough 2049

LT704

1T52 0534 Scarborough – York 0625
1T21 0702 York – Scarborough 0751
1T60 0934 Scarborough – York 1025
1T29 1100 York – Scarborough 1149
1T68 1334 Scarborough – York 1425
1T37 1500 York – Scarborough 1549
1T74 1634 Scarborough – York 1725
1T43 1800 York – Scarborough 1849
1P94 2034 Scarborough – Manchester Airport 2326
5H84 2343 Manchester Airport – Longsight 0027

LT709

1T54 0634 Scarborough – York 0724
1T23 0803 York – Scarborough 0852
1T62 1034 Scarborough – York 1125
1T31 1200 York – Scarborough 1249
1F72 1534 Scarborough – Manchester Victoria 1749
5H72 1800 Manchester Victoria - Longsight 1819


LT707
5E41 1506 Longsight - Manchester Piccadilly 1517
1E41 1529 Manchester Piccadilly - Scarborough 1749
1P92 1934 Scarborough – York 2025
1T51 2200 York – Scarborough 2249