cheesysmith Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 I have built some 10ft underframe 16 ton minerals, to represent the batch of 394 built at horwich between 1975 to 78' built on redundant palbrick underframes. On reading through the section in "an illustrated history of BR wagons, vol 1 (and only)" it says "a few were LMS clasp brake underframes". Has anybody seen any photos or evidence of this? If so, it would enable me to make another variation on the humble 16ton rot box for my collection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Here we are:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mineralmcv10ft/h90bd9e2#h90bd9e2 It's the same chassis that Parkside supply in the Vanwide kit, though you could get away with using the supplied chassis with clasp brakes and new levers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Thanks for that. Another question. Did any keep their LMS J hanger suspension? Also, what are the visual differences in model form between RCH vac brakes and Morton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Thanks for that. Another question. Did any keep their LMS J hanger suspension? Also, what are the visual differences in model form between RCH vac brakes and Morton? I don't think they had the J-hanger suspension to start off with. Morton gear has a small cam/clutch on one side, though I'm not sure how visible it is in anything below 0-gauge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted June 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 27, 2015 In an article in MRJ (issue 54, 1992) there is a bit about these Dia 194 wagons. Peter Totman says "with a motley selection of RCH, BR and LMS clasp vacuum brakes". His model has four shoe Morton brakes and roller bearing axle boxes but does not have J hangers. He used a Parkside PA09 chassis. He ends the piece with "Many had clasp brakes." He gives the number series as B596000 to B596393. Jonathan PS: I am not really a mine of information on wagons but I happened to reread the article earlier this week whole browsing through my bound volume. It really was a good magazine in the 1990s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 In an article in MRJ (issue 54, 1992) there is a bit about these Dia 194 wagons. Peter Totman says "with a motley selection of RCH, BR and LMS clasp vacuum brakes". His model has four shoe Morton brakes and roller bearing axle boxes but does not have J hangers. He used a Parkside PA09 chassis. He ends the piece with "Many had clasp brakes." He gives the number series as B596000 to B596393. Jonathan PS: I am not really a mine of information on wagons but I happened to reread the article earlier this week whole browsing through my bound volume. It really was a good magazine in the 1990s. ... and I doubt he did any original fieldwork, although he doesn't acknowledge sources. Doesn't Dave Larkin have the original numbers in one of his books? They cannot have too many brake rigging/suspension variety as all were on Palbrick frames and therefore restricted to what they had. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/palbrick As many of the last batch of Palbricks was retained as Freightliner Match wagons more came from the earlier batches. I have never checked but I believe what I wrote, that a few had the LMS clasp vacuum brake rigging (but no J hangers) was more accurate. This is another http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mineralmcv10ft/ee6443a6 Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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