Mr Grumpy Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 Oops....I started to run away with the build! The sides of the wagon are made up from six doors and four panels. The doors are made up with hinges, door clasps and locking rods. Each panel has the cross bracing and door catches fitted. Then via slot and tab I tack soldered the middle tabs only along the wagon, making sure everything was level and also running straight. Once satisfied, I sacrificed a couple of lengths of rail and soldered inside and this increased the rigidity. (As per Raymond Walley) I then soldered the rest of the tabs. Oddly, I hadn't given any thought to how big this wagon is! If I still had my diesels, I would get a few to mix in to a nice parcel train :-) but only need the one for my next layout. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano747 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Nice work so far!! I'm sure you have plenty of reference material, but thought I'd post these anyway. Sorry I couldn't get a full side on pic!! Regards, Deano. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 Hi Deano... those pics couldn't have come at a more opportune time!! I'm having a brain ache with the ganging steps and I can now see they hook over the top of the wooden footboard. The rear edge of the board doesn't bend up on the kit, so I will make some out of scrap etch. Thanks again!! Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano747 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Hi Deano... those pics couldn't have come at a more opportune time!! I'm having a brain ache with the ganging steps and I can now see they hook over the top of the wooden footboard. The rear edge of the board doesn't bend up on the kit, so I will make some out of scrap etch. Thanks again!! Richard Pleased to help, Richard. As mentioned, I have one of these, so following your build with interest. Regards, Deano. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 I finished my 7400 today, and as I'm so pleased with her, I'm going to be very indulgent with the photos:-) Thanks Mark for the tip of using a pencil on the steps etc, it worked a treat!! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold markjj Posted June 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2017 Your loco looks amazing Richard yet again you have done it proud. At this rate I'm going to have to end up commissioning you to build some of my kits ;-). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 After seeing some of your builds, I'll take that as a compliment:-) I think the stress of doing this for someone else would kill me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Hi Richard, I am not quite sure of what hook you mean? As you can see my Fruit D is still waiting for its turn through the paint shop, here are a couple of pictures for you, there's one of each side and one in general. I hope they are of some help, if you need any different angles give us a shout. If I remember rightly I did not fit the steps until last as they can be pretty vulnerable. Regards, Martyn. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 Thanks Martyn, I will post a couple of photos of the steps. There were a few right angles to be formed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 So, these are the hanging foot steps, four of which have the end turned over like a hook. I'm not sure why this is so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) Hi Richard, Right I'm with you now, memories not that good nowadays. Excuse the picture quality and the cruel close up, but hopefully the photos will explain themselves. In your picture above, the first step on the left is the one fitted below and it fits in to the sole bar and the little up stand is a bracket to support the step. And the next type does roughly the same but only fits halfway back into the sole bar. Hope this is of some help. Martyn. Edited June 9, 2017 by 3 link 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Perfect, thanks Martyn! Your soldering is excellent!! (I'm hoping someone will mistake it for my model Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Thank you for the compliments Richard, with soldering, less is more. Regards, Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted June 13, 2017 Author Share Posted June 13, 2017 I forgot to post this photo of my 14xx which I gave a little more of a dust over while weathering my 74xx.. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted June 15, 2017 Author Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) This build has been a bit of a roller coaster. Nothing wrong with the kit, just me making a school boy error which lead to a bit of a strip and re-build. I wasn't 100% happy with the sole bars, and always have difficulty folding them even after opening the etched fold lines with a triangular file. I should have stopped and double checked, but continued and fitted them, followed by the roof, vents and chassis floor and trusses. When I turned the wagon over, there was a distinct rock between the corners. With three of the W irons flat to the bench, the fourth was about 1.75mm off the surface. I tried a little twist of the body, but made things worse, and broke the trusses. The bin looked like the best solution, but my wife advised I revisit it the next day. So off came the chassis and roof to allow access to the sole bar and that came off as well (A few other bits unintentionally flew off too!) I gave the sole bar a decent thump with a piece of wood in the hold and fold and it looked distinctly better for it! Everything is now back in place, including the buffers I also removed and the roof vents that I hadn't! I have ordered some 1.5 angle to replace the trusses which should be here tomorrow. Edited June 15, 2017 by Mr Grumpy 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 Most of the underframe is complete now, it's a bit of a cats cradle :-) The W irons are tinned ready for the white metal axleboxes and springs. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 I'm unable to fit the axle box/springs as the castings are so poor. To be fair, I contacted WEP and they have promised to send replacements, so hopefully I will get them fitted soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 While I wait for the replacement axleboxes/springs, I thought I may as well crack on with the steps, footboards and brake levers. The brake leaver brackets are relatively easy to assemble. I took the precaution of running my fret saw blade along the ratchet fold line before bending and it worked a treat :-) To be honest, I found the whole experience of fitting the footboard, step and bracket frustrating and overly fiddly. I really struggled to get the iron in and resorted to using my 25w iron with a tiny bit which took forever to heat the parts. As warned, the steps are incredibly fragile, and this one snapped just because it wanted to :-) I decided to put a decent fillet of solder behind it and it is nice and solid. So, in the time I thought I would get all six boards, steps and brake levers fitted...I managed one! Please excuse the soldering :-) 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2017 7mm brake ratchets,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,luxury! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) 7mm brake ratchets,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,luxury! Mike. Yes, the brake lever brackets were very straightforward:-) I don't know how you 4mm guys get in to solder intricate parts. I'm definitely warming to purchasing a RSU. I'd Best Buy a cheapish kit to practice on though...I'm certain to vapourise it :-) Edited June 22, 2017 by Mr Grumpy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2017 Yes, the brake lever brackets were very straightforward:-) I don't know how you 4mm guys get in to solder intricate parts. I'm definitely warming to purchasing a RSU. I'd Best Buy a cheapish kit to practice on though...I'm certain to vapourise it :-) No need for a kit, just zap etch waste, you'll have plenty of that. Until you get used to it, start low and increase power until it works. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I would thoroughly recommend an RSU, one of my better buys. I use mine with C&L's 188 degree solder paste, it keeps all the work clean and it's like having another hand as the probe holds the work in place, so no more burnt fingers, bargain..... Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 ....Can anyone recommend a model? I saw the Swanage Model co one in the 0 Gauge Gazette and the chap informed me they have just gone up to £195 due to him becoming VAT registered. The budget is a little squeezed at the moment as I'm about to order my baseboards, so it may have to go on my Christmas present list....along with a few items already requested :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Mine came from Fourtrack Models, at the time I think it was around £110, but we are talking a long time ago. I'm not sure but I think Fourtrack no longer trades or it could be what is now or was London road models. I will go and do some research and report back. Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 ....Can anyone recommend a model? My Son builds MMP Cats and Dogs with his RSU - from here . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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