penyghent Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Just looking into sand trains that ran to Worksop in the 1980s and 1990s for a possible article and wondered if anyone could tell me the route that 8E36 Oakamoor to Worksop took? I have seen photos of these trains leaving Oakamoor, and I know that they passed Chesterfield as they are mentioned in the excellent Chesterfield Observer website, but what was the other parts of the route? Also, the return working was 8M33 MThO Worksop - Longport but what was its routing? Any help appreciated and thanks in anticipation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 They passed through Uttoxeter; someone on here had a few shots of some 'crippled' ones in the yard there. Given the 35 mph speed restriction they had, I can imagine them working via Stenson Jct, Sheet Stores Jct, and the Erewash Valley line to keep out of the way of faster trains. Knowing how they dribbled sand, you can still probably follow the route they took all those years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 15, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2016 Chesterfield to Worksop has 2 main possibilities; Chesterfield to Sheffield to avoid reversing, but that would involve climbing Nunnery Curve, and the Ditton to Broughton Lane needed a class 40/25 combination to do that. Chesterfield to Woodhouse sidings and run round and set off Eastwards, but that would probably require 2 brake vans. Other less likely routes include Barow Hill to Elmton and Creswell and run round. No doubt someone will have the WTT and put us out of our misery. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 15, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2016 Couldn't be either of these could it? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
penyghent Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 Chesterfield to Worksop has 2 main possibilities; Chesterfield to Sheffield to avoid reversing, but that would involve climbing Nunnery Curve, and the Ditton to Broughton Lane needed a class 40/25 combination to do that. Chesterfield to Woodhouse sidings and run round and set off Eastwards, but that would probably require 2 brake vans. Other less likely routes include Barow Hill to Elmton and Creswell and run round. No doubt someone will have the WTT and put us out of our misery. Mike. Mike, I have seen a pic of one passing Shirebrook and I remember the trains coming off the Mansfield line at Shireoaks East Junction when I worked at Worksop Sidings. I doubt that they would have come over from Barrow Hill to Creswell because of run round problems, but as they were fully fitted, they could easily have come from Chesterfield to woodhouse and run round, but then the one I saw a pic of must have come from Toton direction? A WTT would be most handy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
penyghent Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 They passed through Uttoxeter; someone on here had a few shots of some 'crippled' ones in the yard there. Given the 35 mph speed restriction they had, I can imagine them working via Stenson Jct, Sheet Stores Jct, and the Erewash Valley line to keep out of the way of faster trains. Knowing how they dribbled sand, you can still probably follow the route they took all those years ago. Thats a possibility for routing But doesnt explain passing Chesterfield? As for dribbling sand, when they came to Worksop from Middleton Towers they did leave their mark along the way which could be seen for years! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I expect you have searched Flickr already? The loaded and empty trains called at Toton to change crew and locos according to this caption https://www.flickr.com/photos/walnut_rede/6949758932/in/photolist-bA8kcS-k8T2wz-65M1V4-65yJ8c-68cSow-65TnL6 Here is 8M33 empties passing Creswell https://www.flickr.com/photos/16418497@N03/6648731503/in/photolist-k8T2wz-bA8kcS-b8wALP-b8wueM-65M1V4-65yJ8c/ cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1-MW-1379.jpg 1-MW-1381.jpg Couldn't be either of these could it? Mike. I don't think so; those look like 21t HTV/HTO hoppers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
penyghent Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 1-MW-1379.jpg 1-MW-1381.jpg Couldn't be either of these could it? Mike. Think those are both coal Mike, thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
penyghent Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 I expect you have searched Flickr already? The loaded and empty trains called at Toton to change crew and locos according to this caption https://www.flickr.com/photos/walnut_rede/6949758932/in/photolist-bA8kcS-k8T2wz-65M1V4-65yJ8c-68cSow-65TnL6 Here is 8M33 empties passing Creswell https://www.flickr.com/photos/16418497@N03/6648731503/in/photolist-k8T2wz-bA8kcS-b8wALP-b8wueM-65M1V4-65yJ8c/ cheers Not yet searched Flickr but I have been told today that the trains were worked from Toton to Shirebrook by Shirebrook men, then Worksop men took over to take them to Worksop, returning the empties to Shirebrook for their men to take to Toton. My informant does not however know why they would be seen at Chesterfield in June 1983, nor which route they took on those days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Not yet searched Flickr but I have been told today that the trains were worked from Toton to Shirebrook by Shirebrook men, then Worksop men took over to take them to Worksop, returning the empties to Shirebrook for their men to take to Toton. My informant does not however know why they would be seen at Chesterfield in June 1983, nor which route they took on those days? Bit of guesswork if I may? Chesterfield then Old Road via Beighton to Tinsley yard, or perhaps Woodhouse area sidings? Run round, then off to Worksop? When was the work done to alter the track layout in the Kirkby in Ashfield area? Perhaps diverted due to that? More questions I know but maybe others can offer answers to these which fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 The ex Iron ore unfitted tipplers used for this traffic laid over in Stoke Cockshute yard http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brironoretipplerunfit/e300e3b33 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brironoretipplerunfit/e1907bd1b http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brironoretipplerunfit/ecd0a42d http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brironoretipplerunfit/e1b97c178 Later Stone IOTipplers were used - they don't appear to have been rewritten SAND http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/ironoretipplermsv/e142f41bf http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/ironoretipplermsv/e13f315a4 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/ironoretipplermsv/e6e2ae97 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/ironoretipplermsv/ebeaf32a Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 16, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2016 Bit of guesswork if I may? Chesterfield then Old Road via Beighton to Tinsley yard, or perhaps Woodhouse area sidings? Run round, then off to Worksop? When was the work done to alter the track layout in the Kirkby in Ashfield area? Perhaps diverted due to that? More questions I know but maybe others can offer answers to these which fit. Old road into Tinsley via Treeton South Junction, but no run round as they would continue onwards out via Shepcote Lane and up to Woodbourn and turn left to Worksop via Darnall and Woodhouse maybe a possibility, but seems a bit lomg winded, and wouldn't get them to Shirebrook. The thick plottens! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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