steve fay Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 SUPERB matey, top job. OOA is going to look great. Many many thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Very nice indeed. The touch of dark colour on the rivets between arm and spectacle plate is excellent. What was the source of the shape of the & on the shutter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2014 Excellent job (as usual) Jon - but wot about the back blinder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Very nice indeed. The touch of dark colour on the rivets between arm and spectacle plate is excellent. What was the source of the shape of the & on the shutter? Thanks! Ah yes the rivets on the arm. The MSE arm is quite an old etch and the rivets are half etch on the front. I'd rather they were half etched on the back or even left plain so I can bash them through from the back.. I usually run a file around the spec plate to reduce it's size a bit too. They (MSE) have produced a new arm which is nearer the right size but there's only one on the etch and annoyingly, they missed a chance to put flanges on the blade like the real ones. I'll have to master one and cast it like I do with the LMS U/Q ones! The "&" on the shutter is the same font as the lettering which is "Agency FB". Not sure if it's right though! Jon F. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I'm trying to remember where I've seen a prototype pic of an ampersand on a shutter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Excellent job (as usual) Jon - but wot about the back blinder? " I was wondering when you'd spot that Wilson!". Not sure if it has one. Can't tell from the photos but as the bracket hasn't got one and has an electrical repeater, I've presumed the straight post has the same arrangement. Where was the signal in relation to the controlling box? JF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 I'm trying to remember where I've seen a prototype pic of an ampersand on a shutter. There's a challenge for Mr Stationmaster! JF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2014 " I was wondering when you'd spot that Wilson!". Not sure if it has one. Can't tell from the photos but as the bracket hasn't got one and has an electrical repeater, I've presumed the straight post has the same arrangement. Where was the signal in relation to the controlling box? JF In rear of but at an angle where the backlight might have been difficult to see - however looking as closely as it allows at the only pic I can find on the 'net of the back of the signal it does look as if it had a back blinder and definitely does not appear to have a repeater box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2014 There's a challenge for Mr Stationmaster! JF Indeed it is, hmm good question there chaps, er, very good. I have scoured all sorts of books and cannot find a picture of one showing any form of ampersand be it the form favoured by Jon or the more traditional '&' pattern. Hence I have kept quiet about it - and it does look good. I shall no doubt find a suitable answer after the signal has been very permanently attached to the wall. I am fairly sure the electric stencil indicators used '&' but that doesn't necessarily mean it was used on the mechanical version. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 In rear of but at an angle where the backlight might have been difficult to see - however looking as closely as it allows at the only pic I can find on the 'net of the back of the signal it does look as if it had a back blinder and definitely does not appear to have a repeater box. Indeed it is, hmm good question there chaps, er, very good. I have scoured all sorts of books and cannot find a picture of one showing any form of ampersand be it the form favoured by Jon or the more traditional '&' pattern. Hence I have kept quiet about it - and it does look good. I shall no doubt find a suitable answer after the signal has been very permanently attached to the wall. I am fairly sure the electric stencil indicators used '&' but that doesn't necessarily mean it was used on the mechanical version. Ok , I'll fit a backblinder, that's no problem but I can't remove the contact box without incurring damage. The shutters are just sticky labels so I can peel them off or stick another over the top if they prove to be wrong! JF 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 I've dug up a signal structure that now needs some further work. It's a 7mm scale version of the Alan Gibson kit of the "Bath Junction Gantry". I asked Colin who now runs the company to shoot up one of the range of 4mm scale kits to 7mm and this was the one he chose to do. I liked the way it went together and it was easy to build but I was never sure the actual design was right. I thought it was a bit deep from front to back and the gap between the main legs was a bit generous. The profile is right but a bit of research showed that the main support posts should be plain H girders. Anyway, I wanted to use to structure on our layout but the size made it look wrong wherever I placed it so...time for a bit of surgery I removed the walkways.. sliced it in 2 with a minidisc removed a section and re-soldered it together. After much head scratching and consideration, I realised it may be a job too far to narrow the depth so I decided to leave it as is for now. If I can work out how to do a neat enough job I may yet attempt it. I'll be taking it to the layout to place it where I think it can be used and if it still doesn't look right, it may yet have another date with the minidisc cutter! more soon JF 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 (edited) Well....that didn't work. Even after taking out the piece of gantry, it still didn't fit. So it got abbreviated again and placed where I want it to go. After staring at it for a while (again) it still looks to deep from front to back so... . ..... This is roughly the gap I want between the front and back layers, so the rebuild starts from here. And at the end of it, it'll still only have 2 dolls on it. I'd better make them count! More soon JF Edited September 1, 2014 by Jon Fitness 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Hi Jon See you Saturday at Telford. 12 o'clock in the Bar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 Hi Jon See you Saturday at Telford. 12 o'clock in the Bar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) John, I can't stop looking at this pic... your modelling skills are such that I actually thought for a moment it was a 'real' trick shot, it's just beautifully executed in every way - the lovely blue sky makes it all look so real! Looking at the 'E&C' stencil just makes me think of Old Oak's finest old hands saying ''egg and chips line today young 'un'', it was still called that well into the '80s... And I hope you don't mind, but cropping your highly talented digits out of the shot and hitting the old 'black & white button' goes to prove the point... Steve's posh photo plank is going to be well worth seeing when it's finished. Edited September 2, 2014 by Rugd1022 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted September 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2014 Agreed! Remember Jon's work will be on display on Fourgig East at the RMweb Live event on the 13th and 14th of this month Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 Thanks chaps. Hope after that build up it's not too much of an anti-climax for Steve when he opens the box of just 2 little signals at Telford ! Cheers JF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Thanks chaps. Hope after that build up it's not too much of an anti-climax for Steve when he opens the box of just 2 little signals at Telford ! Cheers JF I'm sure it will be just fine mate, there's always that other big gantry we discussed ;-) ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 Not much to show tonight but that's the main structure for the bracket completed and ready for a scrub. Worky bits next but not till Monday as I'm 12 hour days tomorrow and then there's 2 exhibitions to go to this weekend. JF 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted September 4, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2014 Not much to show tonight but that's the main structure for the bracket completed and ready for a scrub. IMG_0003 (1024x768).jpg Worky bits next but not till Monday as I'm 12 hour days tomorrow and then there's 2 exhibitions to go to this weekend. JF See you at Telford Jon. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted September 10, 2014 Author Share Posted September 10, 2014 I've started on the "dolls". They will both have a stop signal on and the left one will have a c/o shunt arm below the main arm. They are fairly tall for sighting purposes and the r/h one will carry a TC diamond.. I've soldered slightly larger bits of tube into the bracket structure so I can build the dolls up away from the main part and fit them as complete assemblies. I have included a pivot tube for the operating cranks at the base of each doll. Keeping the dolls as separate bits means it will be easier to build up the lampmans staging too. More soon JF 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) I always find the linkages from servos to arms the most awkward part to design/build so I try to keep them simple. Any joint (unless you happen to be an engineer..which I'm not ) will add a little play so I try to keep them tight and to a minimum. There has to be a set of bell cranks at the top of the main post and also at the base of the dolls. I always keep scrap etch. As well as useful bits of straight strip, 90 degree bends come in useful. I drill them and add bits of tube for bearings. As the cranks have to be close together I'm always looking for a neat design of link and I'm trying small forked joints made from tube and 0.55 pins. This is where they'll have to fit to keep it neat More soon.. JF Edited September 24, 2014 by Jon Fitness 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 The servos are now mounted beneath the base and the linkages have been made up to bracket level. All have been tested so I can now get on with the "dolls". All the lamps will be lit with LEDs, but I may be experimenting (again) with SMD types rather than my usual standard 3mm LEDs. More soon JF 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonME46 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Looking good! What's the bus kit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 Looking good! What's the bus kit? Its the Wistow etched brass 1:43 Leyland PD2 I've been building on my rolling stock thread.. Cheers JF 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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