MarcD Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Has anyone come up with alternative motors to replace the Mashima motors? I have been speaking to the people who normally supply motors for our loco kits but they don't currently have any suggestions. most of our locos are design to fit the 16xx series motors as they have small boilers. Some of our locos could be redesign to fit slightly larger motors but not by much. Also we have some locos in development that can't fit anything smaller than a 1620 motor. Any suggestions that could be used would be very helpful as I have customers waiting very patiently for our loco kits and I not prepared to sell something that the customer is not able to build. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 The 2mm crowd have been finding some very cheap motors on ebay. Some are too small for 7mm but others seem OK. Continuity of supply could be an issue but with the low prices it wouldn't break the bank to buy 100 or so and include them with the kit. See more here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/111614-chinese-motor-test/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 There is a useful mabuchi type 3 pole Chinese flat can motor on ebay but too late to start looking tonight .its got a yellow end cap and measures 15 wide 20 high and 25 long with a 2 mm /18 mm shaft and a shorter 8.5 shaft .The brass guys use them in the states .They run well .There are various types and voltages . poles . .Canon 22 's are available too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 These are all large motors and not really sutable for very small loco. Something like an RG7 just wouldn't fit. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountaingoat Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I am probably jumping the gun, but a new company, Taff Vale Models, is launching at the Reading show on 10th December, with a range of motors suitable for most scales. No more details at the moment. Chris PS Nothing to do with me, but I know the two people!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 That's brilliant have got their contact details Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 The Mabuchi 050 type flat can at 16/26 is a perfect motor for smaller types .I use them in H0 and Hon3 brass as early brass always needs a new motor and gearbox.I notice NWSL do a "similar" looking motor labled in black .Just type in mabuchi 050 into ebay .About a quid each .I bought loads . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 The problem of replacing some of the motors in our kits might have been solved thanks to Ritchard Lambert, at Finney7. I had along chat with him about motors earlier today and with a bit of an updated some of the kits can be put back into production. with one or two we will have to be a bit creative with motor placement. Watch this space. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brigo Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 The Mabuchi 050 type flat can at 16/26 is a perfect motor for smaller types .I use them in H0 and Hon3 brass as early brass always needs a new motor and gearbox.I notice NWSL do a "similar" looking motor labled in black .Just type in mabuchi 050 into ebay .About a quid each .I bought loads . They generally seem to have a shaft at one end only. I notice that the construction and in particular the configuration of the brush gear end looks just like that of the Mitsumi motors that some people are raving about. Could be Mabuchi make the Mitsumi ones ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MABUCHI-FF-050SK-11170-DC-12V-17500RPM-Micro-Motor-for-CD-Player-Electric-Shaver-/252389290069?hash=item3ac392f055:g:6AsAAOSwqBJXWQbi Brian Edited for smelling mistook Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 The name Mabuchi should ring up alarm bells if your after a high quality motor. They are a long standing makers of toy and model motors based in Hong Kong, and specialise in virtually disposable cheap motors, made by the million. This does not mean they are rubbish, just made to sell at a very low price, in each price range of models. They supply motors for domestic equipment like fans etc as wel as a huge amount of AC motors. They make excellent model boat motors, model slotcar motors, and do make more expensive top quality items as well. Ebay is like a surplus store, a lot of motors are ex-production stocks, sold off after the items are discontinued. At present Matsumi are selling off small can motors which suit light use in 00. These are Japanese made precision motors used in Betamax and VHS video machines, and with no production now, the motors, (eject mechanism), are being sold cheaply. Super small types abound as well, due to Digital cameras going for Ac linear motors now. Similar deals are done on motors large enough for 7mm, and the first thing is to look for a known brand, Mitsumi, Aiwa, Canon, Citizen, Pittman, Buhler, Maxon, etc. Then look at the motor, is it well made, and thick metal casing, nice finish, and had ID plate, and looks like industrial surplus, not toy like in any way. Be suspicious of under sized shafts for the motor size, highly coloured parts, or odd voltages. It takes a bit of experience to spot the good from the mediocre, but often it is plain obvious from the price. Check the voltage, too low is unlikely in 7mm sizes, too high and you have a slow loco. Don't worry too much about voltage, 20 volt max would be OK for 12 volt, as it is likely that the industrial spec is for maximum voltage. Large coreless are made, but will be expensive, usually coming from Swiss and German makes like Maxon. Finally the Ebay listings are full of generic Chinese made motors of about 24mm diameter up-wards, usually 5 pole, can, round, well made, brand new general purpose motors, and these are fine for 7mm. Mabuchi also make rivals to these Shanghai made medium size motors, but can be lower quality. If the motors you are after are surplus types, then buy now, no repeats! If there is a makers name they will be surplus items and no repeats, especially Pittman ( USA). The only regular suppliers are the Shanghai ones, they are very good value indeed. One area that you might look for are DOOR window opening motors for cars, there are 12 volt, usually part open casing, very tough, usually un-branded, but they are large and really only fit diesels. They usually have larger diameter shafts. Overall the desirable makes are Maxon, and Pittman (USA), Mitsumi, and Canon. There are exceptions to every rule though!! Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Typical mass produced Mabuchi (Vietnam) Generic mid size 12 volt DC motor, better quality Mabuchi Swiss quality Bosch car door motor, brute power. A few examples but the best education is to peruse the Ebay listings very carefully, there are no shortages of motors, but getting a drop in replacement for Mashima is difficult. Frankly within a year or so, if Mashima have gone finally, then plenty of Chinese makers will step forward, just needs the orders placed from the UK/US suppliers. Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 The FF050 series is used by BMW and we all know how cheap they are .The motors work well and at quid each who cares if they only last 10 years instead of 15. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 I should add that as a rule all the motors fitted to gearboxes and gearheads advertised on Ebay are in general good quality motors. The main uses are light industrial, and things like bank hole in the wall machines, slot machines, automation, and have to be a good quality to work. Unfortunately the gearboxes are straight output and need helical gears to turn the drive to the axles. This sort of use would require lathe work to make. Also generally for all motors keep in mind the shaft sizes may not match popular sizes on all Ebay motors, you may need to add sleeve or re drill the worm, again a lathe job. Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 The car motors are indeed heavy on the amps, but it does depend on fitting the right gear ratio, 15:1 may be to low, and the motor struggles drawing more amps, whereas if the ratio 40 oe 50 :1 then the load is light and the current low . We are however discussing O gauge where two to three amps could be drawn by older motors, modern much less. A Ford door motor in a converted Lima diesel drew about 1,5 amps at 20 volts to get to speed, but proved that 20:1 was too low, as it was faster when converted to 30:1, as the motor was running faster and more efficiently. Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted November 27, 2016 Author Share Posted November 27, 2016 I recived the motor I ordered for China arrived yesterday. a few small issues two much play in the bearings no way to attach it to a motor mount very jumpy doesn't turn as smoothly as the Mashima. don't think I will opt for the china option Fortunately I found that Slater's have a stock of 1628's that should last until an alternative is found. They are also adapting there 1833 gear box to fit the cannon motor. Problem solved short term. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 This the motor I got Seller assumes all responsibility for this listing. Last updated on 20 Nov, 2016 12:10:49 GMT View all revisions eH iciL 栋401村新轩福道街浪大 市圳深 901815 anihC :enohP22008282431 :liamEmoc.621@reverus Item specifics Condition: New: A brand-new, unused, unopened and undamaged item in original retail packaging (where packaging is applicable). If the item comes direct from a manufacturer, it may be delivered in non-retail packaging, such as a plain or unprinted box or plastic bag. See the seller's listing for full details. See all condition definitions- opens in a new window or tab ... Read moreabout the condition Brand: Unbranded//Generic Model: Micro Carbon Brush Motor MPN: Does Not Apply Speed: 18000~30000 RPM Type: Micro Airplane Boat Model Motor Voltage Range: DC 12V~24V Country//Region of Manufacture: China EAN: Does not apply its OK but not suitable for slow running locos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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