Skinnylinny Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Unfortunately the ends also have framing with diagonals, so cutting the tops off the ends wouldn't help! Plus, one side is built the correct way up, the other isn't.You're the second person in a week to have built one of my kits with the sides upside-down. I think I need to re-think my end-designs, with an even number of tab-and-slots, so that this can't be done. Sorry! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 No, it was pure stupidity on my part! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) I think I must be missing something obvious here. The built up one painted grey looks right to me whereas the plain wooden one looks wrong. Doors and gates are generally framed with the diagonal running up from the bottom of the hinged side to the top of the opening side as the smaller models of longer syphons show. Edit ah, now I see. Could you grind down the wooden supports on the unpainted one with a Dremel and replace them with some wood cut to shape? Edited January 26, 2019 by Hesperus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 It’s brown, umber, rather than grey. I might have a crack at removing the current braces and replacing them, but I’m not optimistic about it turning out well. Plan A is to make-up the spare body parts (Frankenwagen). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRASinBothell Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Personally, I think that turning a blind eye may be the best choice! By the way, I rather suspect the originals had Dean-Churchward brake gear, so you could probably do away with the brake levers.If nothing else, it might make attaching the footsteps a little easier! Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 I’d guessed they must have had wheel-operated brakes, which i’m assuming the D-C was, because operating a lever between the steps would be really difficult. Where was the wheel? Given that this is meant to be ‘a plausible sketch’, I don’t want to get buried in detail, but details that save work are always worth having! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted January 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2019 http://www.gwr.org.uk/nowagonbrakes.html It’s how deep you want to go with detailing, presume youll do a vac brake with cylinder under and end hoses, them perhaps the small hand lever near the end? The sides are in two layers? Surely you can nick into the corners of the diagonal braces, then try and slide the craft blade between the brace and each of the slats in turn?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted January 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2019 Me back, I dug out Russell’s book, and here’s a drawing and a photo of a model. You’ll see the drawing shows a Morton type handbrake, which is faintly visible in the model, though not too clear. There’s also the Dean handbrake linkage with the pullrods in front of the middle of the wheels. That’s one detail drives me doally. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 I might glue a length of dowel-rod underneath, and I might add vac pipes, although none of my other coaching stock vehicles has such luxuries, and they all stop OK. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 Ah, and the drawing contains the clue ...... the top footstep is cut short of the lever ...... that explains how they got at it, which is what I couldn’t understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRASinBothell Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Looking at the drawing (and text) in the GW Siphons book, it's clear they had clasp vacuum brakes. What isn't at all clear is how they could be applied by hand. There is no sign of any lever. And they have a wheelbase that leaves the ends of the springs pretty close to the headstocks, leaving little or no room for the normal D-C levers. In Jim Russell's book on the early GW coaches, there is a photo of a model that also has no sign of any hand lever... None of (perhaps I should say "neither of", since there only seem to be two!) the prototype photos allow you to see the underframe in any detail, so they are no help. My plan, when I get mine, is to ignore these details. I'll take off the traditional late-steam-age long brake lever (in the interest of making attaching the foot rails easier), and if I feel really adventurous, maybe attach a short piece of dowel or tube to represent the vacuum brake cylinder. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 Hooraay! I tried Plan B first, and using a short piece of razor-saw blade, and a knife, I managed to cut the braces off. I’ve now re-fitted them, the right way round, and the glue is setting. Will need to tidy-up the ends a bit, but overall a success. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2019 milk brake 001.JPG A pity Hornby didn't make a full passenger brake so a No.1 had to do on this short milk train Down milk empties, for St Erth or Lostwithiel? Brian. Snurf, definitely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted February 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2019 Glad you managed to rescue the situation it would have onlly niggled if you tried to ignore it. Don 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 I’ve been fiddling about checking clearances on the ‘even smaller than Paltry Circus’ terminus, the baseboards for which I made a couple of months ago. Sometimes when I go back to an idea after not thinking about it for ages I find that it no longer seems right, but this still all seems satisfactory. It is very small, though! The road where the coaches are standing will be a siding, the back edge of the platform having a fence, probably with a gate that can be opened to allow a van to be unloaded, which is a quirky arrangement that I quite like. The idea is to allow the passenger train to be tucked away while a (very short) goods train does its stuff. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted February 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2019 It’s not particularly small, to me at any rate. What is of concern is how neat and tidy everything is. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Northroader said: What is of concern is how neat and tidy everything is. Spooky, I call it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 Reminded me of this, in a Mister Men book (you can tell what I spent the past ten years reading!). 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) An appeal for drawings ...... Does any reader here present have drawings, or know where they can be found, for the following GWR classes? 1) First batch of GWR Birdcage Tanks, with parallel boiler and Belpaire firebox, as per photos in this collection https://spellerweb.net/rhindex/UKRH/GreatWestern/Narrowgauge/Dean36xxClass.html I think that 3611 was the prototype, and slightly shorter than the first production batch; and, 2) What I think is called a Large Metro Tank, in the form used on the actual Metropolitan Railway, with condensing gear, volute springs for the carrying axle, and weatherboard cab. An idea is brewing, based around one of two ETS chassis that I have obtained "on approval" to fit to my Hornby No.2 4-4-4T ...... I've decided to fit the one with 40mm diameter wheels to that loco, but it occurred to me that the other one, which has 36mm diameter wheels on a 60mm wheelbase, might do for one of the above, the Birdcage being favoured, because Bing made them in tinplate pre-WW1, and because it is a simple 'tubes and boxes' shape. Kevin Edited February 5, 2019 by Nearholmer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Metropolitan H Posted February 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2019 Not exactly what you want, but see the forth entry down in the table in - http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/loco_draw.htm It is an original weight diagram and gives the main dimensions and outline. Regards Chris H 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) Excellent find. Its a good start, and confirms my gut feel that the wheel diameter and wheelbase are pretty much spot-on. Using that, one could probably develop a drawing of the original version that would be close enough, certainly closer than Bing got under the guidance of Mr Greenly, who I suspect was behind the fat boiler on their model. Thank you. PS: Good reference photo of 3611 from the IMechE https://vads.ac.uk/large.php?uid=216527&sos=0 PPS: Brilliant action photo https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/great-western-railway-36xx-class-2-4-2t-locomotive-no-3611-news-photo/90746791 Why are the cylinder drain-cocks open, though? Edited February 5, 2019 by Nearholmer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted February 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted February 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2019 P.s. Metro wheels 3’8” and 5’2” 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 Another excellent contribution. Many thanks Mr Northroader. I will post your wheels soon, honest. I"m rapidly becoming a Birdcage Spotter, and can tell you that the parallel boiler one is the prototype loco, because the rear overhang was increased to 4ft on the first production batch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 After much searching I finally found this topic within the new system. Is there any way of marking 'favourites', instead of wading through everything else? Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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