BR MR Duchess questions?

[millsie]

OK i have with me a part completed Hornby duchess, which has been stripped and altered with the intention of havin more detail added (old tender drive). The plan is to turn it from 'duchess of gloucester', to 'city of leicester'. I want to try and repaint it into maroon, with the use of HMRS transfers....but which ones....

 

 

if it should be BR green then ill do it that colour, but maroon wud mean less lining

 

martin

[Poor Old Bruce]

Leicester seems to have ended its days in BR green and had the curved drop at the front end of the running plate having been built without streamlining. Gloucester was built streamlined and got the stepped running plate after de-streamlining. I don't know what the Gloucester moulding has but is it simply Sutherland renumbered? in which case it will have the curved running plate OK for Leicester.

 

Richard

[millsie]

well in my hands i have both a curved and cut out foot plate, from the same model, one borrowed from a club member, so i think they did both! hmmm ok dad decided he dont want it green, so maroon it goes lol

 

EDIT: gloucester has a stepped and the one that i have borrowed has been repainted into duchess of atholl with cuved footplate

[DavidBelcher]

OK i have with me a part completed Hornby duchess, which has been stripped and altered with the intention of havin more detail added (old tender drive). The plan is to turn it from 'duchess of gloucester', to 'city of leicester'. I want to try and repaint it into maroon, with the use of HMRS transfers....but which ones....

 

 

if it should be BR green then ill do it that colour, but maroon wud mean less lining

 

martin

 

If it's City of Leicester you want, then in later BR days it'll have to be green (though like most 8P-rated locos it was probably turned out in blue during the early 50s); as others have pointed out it was a curved footplate loco, and the only BR maroon example with that footplate style was City of Nottingham.

 

David

[millsie]

Thanks for the information chaps......City of Nottigham, which style footplate.... as i have the stepped footplate..so would wantt to keep it realistic just need to visit 247 Developments againa and buy the right nameplate now lol

 

martin

[Colin]

46251 City Of Nottingham had the curved running plate.

There were also tender variations, depending on whether the loco had ever been streamlined - might be best to either seek out a photo (they were a well-photographed class) or one of the more specialised books on the class.

[millsie]

hmm ok thanks chaps, mine is the steeped footplate..also what transfers would be needed, i was told to use HMRS ones but forgot which one i actually needed

 

martin

[Il Grifone]

This may be helpful:

http://www.cometmodels.co.uk/ (go to 'downloads' for info on maroon livery and tenders.)

 

(4)6230-4/49-52 had curved footplates; the others all had utility/stepped footplates. The exception was 46242, wich was rebuilt with the curved footplate after the Harrow accident in 1952. Note all ex-streamliners had the sloping smokebox until rebuilt in the fifties.(4)6220-29/35-49.

 

Re trandfers. It depends on livery - GWR lining if green, LMS if maroon, unless you want the BR lining. Here you definitely need a photograph. Br lining styles were different from the company styles.

http://www.hmrs.org.uk/transfers/list.php

[DavidBelcher]

Note all ex-streamliners had the sloping smokebox until rebuilt in the fifties.(4)6220-29/35-49.

 

Am I correct in thinking that "City of Manchester" hung on to its sloping top long enough to gain BR maroon livery whilst in that guise?

 

David

[Bernard Lamb]

Am I correct in thinking that "City of Manchester" hung on to its sloping top long enough to gain BR maroon livery whilst in that guise?

 

David

You are indeed correct. Maroon in Oct? 1958 and kept the sloping smoke box until early 1960. I think it came back from repair in April.

Bernard

[Colin]

On the subject of lining, I'd disagree with the notion that maroon is simpler (millsie's post) - granted the linings around the edge of the cab and the lack of lining on all but one of the boiler bands makes it a bit easier above the running plate, but down below there are tender frames and running plate steps to be lined - very fiddly in 4mm scale!

[ozzyo]

You are indeed correct. Maroon in Oct? 1958 and kept the sloping smoke box until early 1960. I think it came back from repair in April.

Bernard

 

Someone once said to me that City of Birmingham still had the slope to the top of the smokebox on the inside but had had a filler piece welded in to place to make it look like a fully round smokebox . I have never had the opportunity to check it out. But a nice story all the same .

 

ATB

OzzyO.

[DavidBelcher]

Someone once said to me that City of Birmingham still had the slope to the top of the smokebox on the inside but had had a filler piece welded in to place to make it look like a fully round smokebox

 

Apparently so. I think this was mentioned in a Steam Railway article on 46235 a couple of years ago. Not only that, but prior to being sent to the Science & Industry museum it was, so the same article claimed, given a full BR overhaul should it have ever been required to run in steam again! :icon_surprised:

 

David

[Barry Ten]

You are indeed correct. Maroon in Oct? 1958 and kept the sloping smoke box until early 1960. I think it came back from repair in April.

Bernard

 

I have a model of City of Manchester in post-1960 guise. I used Fox LMS transfers to do mine. I wasn't really worried about all the lining around the tender frames as I've never seen a pic of COM in which it wasn't absolutely covered in filth...

[TonyK]

Hi

 

I'm repainting the Hornby City of Manchester with sloping smokebox at present.

 

According to the White Swan book LMS Locomotive Profiles 11 the "Coronation" class p169 CoM was repainted crimson lake with BR style lining in Oct '58 and got the cylindrical smokebox and LMS style lining in Apr '60.

The Hornby website has a nice colour picture of its model of City of Coventry in the BR style and the tender frame colour is a lot simpler than the LMS style, compare with the picture of Hornby's City of Lancaster.

 

I find Railmatch Crimson on a black undercoat a good match for my City of Nottingham, the Railmatch Maroon appears too dark and I am going to use Modelmasters transfers for the lining.

 

Hope this is useful

Tony K