Dana Ashdown Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 10/05/2022 at 04:08, Skinnylinny said: there could be a propensity to waddle There was with full size 4-4-0s as well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I read the other day in a very old copy of 'Scale Model Trains' that the 'American' 4-4-0 design came about because of the need for a more forgiving ride on the typically rough tracks of the early US railroads. Hence, the prototype engines had side beams on the driving wheels connecting to the bogie truck to give a three point suspension. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted May 11, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, CKPR said: I read the other day in a very old copy of 'Scale Model Trains' that the 'American' 4-4-0 design came about because of the need for a more forgiving ride on the typically rough tracks of the early US railroads. Hence, the prototype engines had side beams on the driving wheels connecting to the bogie truck to give a three point suspension. That’s the point: all “Americans” (wrt wheel arrangement) are 4-4-0s, but not all 4-4-0s are Americans. But, the side beams between the drivers connected the driving wheel inboard spring hangers, and had no connection to the bogie truck, which was independent of them. Edited May 11, 2022 by Regularity 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Which suggests that a certain liveliness to the ride would be entirely prototypical? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted May 12, 2022 Author Share Posted May 12, 2022 I agree that some level of liveliness would be prototypical, but the amount of slop in the wheel-rail interface in On30 is likely to lead to a lot of liveliness! That said, at least the loco has a relatively long coupled wheelbase for a 4-4-0, but the front bogie sticks out a long way too! By the time the pilot/cowcatcher is added, more than half the loco length will be in front of the leading axle. I suspect some wire springing will solve the issue, but it's still something I am aware of as a potential issue. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted May 14, 2022 Author Share Posted May 14, 2022 Well, the front running board pilot beam has been added, which is a really awkward shape (especially without any top views!), and work has started on the tender. As built, the loco was handbraked on the rear bogie truck of the tender only, before gaining a Westinghouse pump on the right-hand-side of the loco (but still no loco brakes, at least in preservation!). I'm slightly torn on how to model the loco (with or without the Westinghouse pump), but as this is to be a one-off project, I think I'd like to model the loco as built, meaning no Westinghouse pump. The pilot ("cowcatcher" itself is also an awkward shape to model - this loco, rather than the traditional all-wooden construction that springs to mind with an American 4-4-0, has one made up of angle iron, in an odd shape that defies verbal explanation! That will require some thoughts as to how to model it. This screenshot from the game Railroads Online shows the shapes at the front of the loco which I have to contend with! 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 IT LIVES!Camp horror movie villain laughter ensues Apologies for the background noise, the incorrect coaching stock, and the non-functioning upper quadrant signal (it was the layout's first exhibition and there are still some bits to finish!) . But it lives! It runs! (and much less lumpy than it was) 12 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted May 17, 2022 Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 A haulage test has now been carried out. With only a little slipping on starting, the A12 will haul 5 bogie carriages, two 6-wheelers and three 4-wheelers, on the straight and level. This is far more than I ever expected or hoped! 15 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted May 17, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, Skinnylinny said: A haulage test has now been carried out. With only a little slipping on starting, the A12 will haul 5 bogie carriages, two 6-wheelers and three 4-wheelers, on the straight and level. This is far more than I ever expected or hoped! Far more than the real thing too, I suspect! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 43 minutes ago, Nick C said: Far more than the real thing too, I suspect! Not really. In this view, from the Mike Morant collection, this Jubilee is hauling 9 bogie coaches, and it is around 40 years old! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 17, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 17, 2022 I was nonplussed by the bracket signal on the left, until I realised that one arm applied to the fast or main and the other to the slow or relief! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted May 17, 2022 Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nick Holliday said: Not really. In this view, from the Mike Morant collection, this Jubilee is hauling 9 bogie coaches, and it is around 40 years old! If I'm going to try it with 9 bogies on, I'm going to need a bigger layout! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 17, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Skinnylinny said: If I'm going to try it with 9 bogies on, I'm going to need a bigger layout! Those look like 56-footers, too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted May 18, 2022 Author Share Posted May 18, 2022 And those PC models 56-footer models aren't light or very free running! That said, I think the picture might show two 4-sets, rather than a 9-carriage train. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 18, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 18, 2022 59 minutes ago, Skinnylinny said: That said, I think the picture might show two 4-sets, rather than a 9-carriage train. But with some shorter, lower roofed, possibly 6-wheel carriage sandwiched between them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted May 18, 2022 Author Share Posted May 18, 2022 Right you are, I somehow missed that one! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 On 17/05/2022 at 21:26, Skinnylinny said: A haulage test has now been carried out. With only a little slipping on starting, the A12 will haul 5 bogie carriages, two 6-wheelers and three 4-wheelers, on the straight and level. This is far more than I ever expected or hoped! Pretty impressive for a relatively small loco! 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted May 26, 2022 Author Share Posted May 26, 2022 Well, some actual layout work has been carried out. Not much, but it's a start! Readers may remember a while back that I built a Fair Price Models shop kit, with the intention of it becoming a shoe shop. Well, the window display has finally been painted, assembled and glued into place: The display shelves and shoes are from a Dornaplas kit, and the "Shoes" and "Boots" lettering were part of the shop sign included in said kit (although I didn't want to use the main shop name, so some lettering from the transfers box was pressed into service. The main sign still looks a bit empty and I'll want to find some more small gold lettering to fill out the spaces either side of "BURTONS" (Should this have an apostrophe? I'm not sure... Maybe it's run by a married couple). I think this window display really brings the shop to life though, and I had a lot of fun assembling it! 10 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted May 26, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2022 It should have an apostrophe, either before the S if there is one Burton, after if more than one... Unless it's a Greengrocer of course, in which case they should simply be scattered around randomly whenever an S appears. Apple's, Orange's, 'Strawberrie's, Watercre's's, 'squa'sh... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted May 26, 2022 Author Share Posted May 26, 2022 (edited) I thought so, but "Burtons of Linton" doesn't feel right with one! The greengrocer is next door... And yes, those upstairs windows will get a coat of something that is not gloss white at some point! Edited May 26, 2022 by Skinnylinny 8 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Mo Arts Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Perhaps if the full title of the business is Burtons and Sons or Burtons Cobbler the apostrophe wouldn't be necessary? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 How about 'A Burton'. Then I could go for one. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 27, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Edwardian said: How about 'A Burton'. Then I could go for one. Not so useful from a shoe shop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 27 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Not so useful from a shoe shop. Yes, I failed to tailor my answer very well. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted May 27, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Edwardian said: Yes, I failed to tailor my answer very well. It was just cobbled together, and rather soulless… 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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