class37418stag Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Hello everyone What colour of retaining wall and viaduct Black ? Brown ? Red ? Grey ? I need know I feel black retaining wall at midland Sheffield station ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Hello everyone What colour of retaining wall and viaduct Black ? Brown ? Red ? Grey ? I need know I feel black retaining wall at midland Sheffield station ? Retaining walls may have become black due to pollution, especially in the steam era; but many were built with blue engineers bricks. However, I think the walls at Sheffield Midland were constructed from stone, although they may have had a top few layers of bricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Certainly as you run into Sheffield midland, the walls are all stone, the only wall in the station being opposite platform 8, I think that is also stone, but as I'm usually engaged in station duties I don't take too much notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) I found this photo by Russ Saxton (who kindly gave permission for it to be posted here) on Flickr, which is a great illustration of what I have seen in b/w before, so wasn't sure of the colours or materials used. It shows the lower stone retaining wall with an upper, almost balustrade-type, brick addition at Sheffield Midland in later years. Edited February 4, 2018 by jonny777 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 If the walls are built up from gritstone, they weather to almost black. It looks as if those walls were cleaned at some time, probably in the 70s or 80s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted February 4, 2018 Author Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) Hello If I spray all retaining wall and viaduct by Matt black? I has seen pictures and YouTube by full black by wall and tunnel at kings Cross station in 1960 to 1980 And been cleaning retaining wall and tunnel remove off from black afterwards more cleaning because trains use electric overhead system By am I right ? Edited February 4, 2018 by class37418stag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Hello please help me thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Overall black would be too much, unless you are modelling the late steam era? Try and follow the colouring and weathering in the photo above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted February 5, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2018 You'd need a mix of blacks, browns and creams for stonework, or reds and creams for bricks. Why not use a pre-printed or downloadable brickpaper instead if you're not sure about painting it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I have probably over-weathered this wall, but it is made from Slaters stone plastic card, painted a darkish grey (Humbrol blue-grey #79), then weathered with grimy black and dark earth powders. At present it is a little too even in colour for my liking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 Overall black would be too much, unless you are modelling the late steam era? Try and follow the colouring and weathering in the photo above. because former steam depot low level area by fully black dust on retaining wall and viaduct. in 1990 new laid track for reopening small passenger and freight service over I have black Matt to need paint retaining wall and viaduct Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 Hello please give me answer from my comment of black retaining wall and viaduct Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2018 At least two replies above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 As mentioned earlier, many railway structures were built with engineer's blue brick. When new, this would be more of a dark grey with a little blue mixed in. These weather with a build up of soot & vertical streaks of light grey where rain has washed other debris down it. Depending on what is on the other side at the top of the wall, there may also be drainage pipes part way up dribbling contaminants down it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I have probably over-weathered this wall, but it is made from Slaters stone plastic card, painted a darkish grey (Humbrol blue-grey #79), then weathered with grimy black and dark earth powders. At present it is a little too even in colour for my liking. I like the way your tunnel is dark. So many layouts feature tunnel mouths with daylight shining through them. It is usually easy to fix too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Hello please give me answer from my comment of black retaining wall and viaduct Thank you I suppose that you could spray it matt black, but then scratch some of it off again after it has dried. However, that would be a long and laborious business. The colours of the retaining wall in the photograph look very difficult to get right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I don't think a matt black base would work. Firstly, what material are you starting with? Card? Plasticard? I used with Slaters brick plasticard & started with grey primer. There are different shades of grey primer, so I went for a lighter one because the cement is lighter than the bricks & it is easier to darken things with more paint than it is to lighten them. Then L49 & I started to dry brush a mix of acrylic paints over this, in a vertical direction to give most of the grey/blue shade with some vertical streaking. It is not finished yet & requires some blending in with a dark colour airbrushed on, but not black because this is too extreme. If you take a look at this thread of my layout, you will see the exact walls I am trying to model & some photos of how far I have got with them. Feel free to turn your nose up at the efforts. I am probably far more critical of it than you are likely to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Hello please give me answer from my comment of black retaining wall and viaduct No, solid black would be too dark. Even in the steam era with lots of soot, the original colour would still have been somewhat visible. You need to choose your building material. This may be engineering bricks or stone depending on what part of the country you are modelling. Paint the structures in that colour and then apply weathering to darken it. Viaducts tend to be lighter in colour than retaining walls as the smoke/soot can drift away more easily and less will adhere to the structure. Most importantly, look at the real thing. Copying the real world is better than copying a model. Buff-coloured stone seems to have been popular around Sheffield. Brightside station in Sheffield has a splendid retaining wall built out of similarly coloured stone. A base colour of buff with suitable weathering is the colour you should aim for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) Hello I will get grey and spray retaining wall and Viaduct Viaduct from Hornby and retaining wall from Merkur Styroplast can spray paint grey ? Edited February 9, 2018 by class37418stag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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