Caley Jim Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) Only until the wearing of tartan was banned following the '45! Edited to add that strictly speaking tartan is a type of cloth, not the pattern. Jim Edited June 19, 2020 by Caley Jim 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 19, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2020 I thought it was the traditional Highland dress, or certain features thereof, that was proscribed, tartan, at least as now understood, not really existing then but being largely an invention of that Sassenach Sir Walter Scott (descendant of Border Rievers) for George IV's visit to Edinburgh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, cctransuk said: Can you armor a horse? Regards, John Isherwood. This horse with beautifully moulded plastic detachable armour was my eldest's favourite toy He already had "Max", the similarly moulded Knight (Valiant's rider). The various parts must all still be scattered around the cupboards in our decrepit old pile overlooking the Battle of Newburn Ford - fought between the Scots and the English over control of coal revenues. The Scots decisively won here also in 1640 by placing a cannon on the top Newburn's late Saxon church tower and routing the King's troops garrisoned in Newcastle. Early hardwood oak railway networks (documented earlier in the thread) are a part of the past hereabouts too, while Newburn even crops up in Swindon work's past. Edited June 19, 2020 by runs as required 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted June 19, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, runs as required said: Early hardwood oak railway networks (documented earlier in the thread) are a part of the past hereabouts too, while Newburn even crops up in Swindon work's past. As my wife comes from Sunderland, and I went to college there, I have quite an interest in the early waggonways. In their more modern form, I used to spend ages watching the activity at a changeover point between two inclines at Seaham. Regards, John Isherwood. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Compound2632 said: I thought it was the traditional Highland dress, or certain features thereof, that was proscribed, tartan, at least as now understood, not really existing then but being largely an invention of that Sassenach Sir Walter Scott (descendant of Border Rievers) for George IV's visit to Edinburgh. If you scroll down this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartan to the section on The Dress Act 1746. you'll see that tartan was included in the proscription. Most present day setts are indeed modern inventions and new patterns are often being introduced for specific events or even towns. E.g. Peebles has its own tartan designed to celebrate the centenary of the Beltane Festival, one of the Common Riding events of the Border towns. Jim 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbcompound Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, Caley Jim said: Most present day setts are indeed modern inventions and new patterns are often being introduced for specific events or even towns. E.g. Peebles has its own tartan designed to celebrate the centenary of the Beltane Festival, one of the Common Riding events of the Border towns. And then, to Scotland's eternal shame there is this. The Trump Tartan 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 19, 2020 Author Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Caley Jim said: Only until the wearing of tartan was banned following the '45! Our notional Jacobites in an armoured train (!) would doubtless have worn plaid prior to their inevitable defeat (!), though not, ironically, "Royal Stewart", as that was made up in 1831! 3 hours ago, Caley Jim said: Edited to add that strictly speaking tartan is a type of cloth, not the pattern. Jim No need to sett upon me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestTom Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 19/06/2020 at 18:27, webbcompound said: And then, to Scotland's eternal shame there is this. The Trump Tartan I would have thought that fella would have been more on Hadrian's side, if you know what I mean. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 On 19/06/2020 at 18:27, webbcompound said: And then, to Scotland's eternal shame there is this. The Trump Tartan I believe it’s compulsory for US Presidents https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails?ref=11839 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbcompound Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Not just presidents. On the tartan register I found the Australian Donkey Tartan. Don't know if it is supposed to just be worn by donkeys, or whether (your choice of) particular politicians are included. I bet there is an early Australian loco called the Donkey though so it might look fetching in this. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florence Locomotive Works Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) On 19/06/2020 at 09:14, Edwardian said: One imagines it would wear Royal Stewart Tartan .... That should be done more, Sir Jackie Stewart would certainly approve. In Scottish shipyards there used to be a trick played on apprentices: they would be told when they got annoying to go to the stores buildings and get a “can of tartan paint” this would then irk the store keeper who would proceed to give them a walloping, after this they would generally be respected by all. Edited June 28, 2020 by Florence Locomotive Works Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Florence Locomotive Works said: That should be done more, Sir Jackie Stewart would certainly approve. In Scottish shipyards there used to be a trick played on apprentices: they would be told when they got annoying to go to the stores buildings and get a “can of tartan paint” this would then irk the store keeper who would proceed to give them a walloping, after this they would generally be respected by all. This was often done on 1st April. Other errands were to go for along stand, a left handed screwdriver or a bucket of steam! Jim 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florence Locomotive Works Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Caley Jim said: This was often done on 1st April. Other errands were to go for along stand, a left handed screwdriver or a bucket of steam! Jim My Grandfather got the long stand at Cammell Lairds, sometime in the late 50s. (ship repair, not building) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florence Locomotive Works Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Would anybody on here happen to have some photos of the GWR Broad Gauge 0-6-0 Pyracmon class? I’ve found some photos of Steropes after she went barreling down an embankment near Llanwern, but that’s all I’ve found. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm 0-6-0 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Florence Locomotive Works said: Would anybody on here happen to have some photos of the GWR Broad Gauge 0-6-0 Pyracmon class? I’ve found some photos of Steropes after she went barreling down an embankment near Llanwern, but that’s all I’ve found. The only thing I can find is that the remaining ones were grouped into the Caesar class of which it is said they were similar. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 On 28/06/2020 at 17:36, Florence Locomotive Works said: That should be done more, Sir Jackie Stewart would certainly approve. In Scottish shipyards there used to be a trick played on apprentices: they would be told when they got annoying to go to the stores buildings and get a “can of tartan paint” this would then irk the store keeper who would proceed to give them a walloping, after this they would generally be respected by all. Hi There, This might help those Scottish apprentices: Gibbo. 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted February 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi There, This might help those Scottish apprentices: Not for you: that's not a Gibson Tartan... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Regularity said: Not for you: that's not a Gibson Tartan... Hi There, That's fine by me as my name isn't Gibson, I'm more of a monkey than a Gibson, also that there is McNab lineage in the family as well as a distant connection to the Wedgewood potters. Gibbo[ns]. Edited February 9, 2021 by Gibbo675 Spelling 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted February 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2021 18 minutes ago, Gibbo675 said: I'm more of a monkey than a Gibson No aping you, is there? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 On 19/06/2020 at 18:27, webbcompound said: And then, to Scotland's eternal shame there is this. The Trump Tartan Actually, Scotland has more to not boast about. Trump's mother was a MacLeod of Lewis. She left the island in the mass migration after the First World War. Best wishes Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 This image, found Here and described as "An image believed to have come to light from an early postcard" surprised me, and struck me as highly improbable. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Edwardian said: This image, found Here and described as "An image believed to have come to light from an early postcard" surprised me, and struck me as highly improbable. Compare https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwr_oldmil1445.htm. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Compare https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwr_oldmil1445.htm. Exceedingly grim. As I understand it, Gaunless Bridge was never built to bear locomotives, the valley lying between two rope-worked inclines and, I understood, the intervening line always horse-worked. IIRC the history, a diversion was built in the 1850s, and that enabled loco-working. This picture is clearly of a train (there is a chaldron seen behind the tender) and this seems improbable. I cannot immediately see the need for light engine working over the viaduct and would not have thought the viaduct would take such a weight. Edited February 16, 2021 by Edwardian 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted February 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2021 6 hours ago, Edwardian said: This image, found Here and described as "An image believed to have come to light from an early postcard" surprised me, and struck me as highly improbable. It certainly would have to be a photoshopped image. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 7 hours ago, Annie said: It certainly would have to be a photoshopped image. Formerly known as “artists impression”.. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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