7APT7 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Pylon King said: Alton sub is right next to the main road which makes viewing relatively easy , the good weather today certainly helped too. The Top Pylon is one of those oddly shaded I was referring to, and look pretty good more so on a Model Layout as Its not really one you see in the main stream, apart from at Sub Stations maybe. Regards Jamie 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharrc20 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 9 hours ago, 7APT7 said: The Top Pylon is one of those oddly shaded I was referring to, and look pretty good more so on a Model Layout as Its not really one you see in the main stream, apart from at Sub Stations maybe. Regards Jamie There is one like that you pass on the A55 between Llan Jnc and Colwyn Bay and it looks like if you took the old road then turned off and under the A55 it would bring you to that substation next to the lane I think? Cheers Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted February 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2020 I went to "Stafford Model Railway Exhibition 2020" today, which was excellent, and saw these on the "Severn Model" stand. Kev. (No connection whatsoever.) 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 hours ago, SHMD said: I went to "Stafford Model Railway Exhibition 2020" today, which was excellent, and saw these on the "Severn Model" stand. Kev. (No connection whatsoever.) Hi Kev Those are quality, Is that in Both N-Gauge and 00-Gauge, Do you sell them Ready Made 00-Gauge...? Is there more than one style...? Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 8 hours ago, pharrc20 said: There is one like that you pass on the A55 between Llan Jnc and Colwyn Bay and it looks like if you took the old road then turned off and under the A55 it would bring you to that substation next to the lane I think? Cheers Paul Hi Paul Yes, you are correct, was you with me...? when I took the photo or was alone lol as if you'd know I was alone Doh...! haha Regards Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted February 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2020 They are both available in N and 00 but I have no idea if they are available Ready-to-Run, so to speak, as I have nothing to do with Severn Models! Check their website by typing "Severn Models" into go-ogle. Kev. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 9 hours ago, pharrc20 said: There is one like that you pass on the A55 between Llan Jnc and Colwyn Bay and it looks like if you took the old road then turned off and under the A55 it would bring you to that substation next to the lane I think? Cheers Paul Hi Paul Sorry bud, they weren't in the Pylon Folder....Doh! Found them... This the Pylon on the A55 as Paul rightfully said, Unusually with it having the Extra Arm on a 3rd Side of the 4 Sides... Regards Jamie 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Hi Again Few more of the Sub Station on the A55 just after Llandudno Junction. Down into the Sub Station, (Sorry I was up loading a different Sub Station) and it didn't fit in with were the Pylon was lol, Right, Now... back on track... I have the right Sub Station although it was being worked on so few signs everywhere say to keep out... which I did...! but meant having to zoom in more to cancel out the fencing being in view of the extra fencing and focusing on the Subject rather than the focusing on the fence every time... but managed to get what I could, in the end. i think the Close-Ups came out good for those wanting more attention to detail... Regards Jamie 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 3 hours ago, SHMD said: I went to "Stafford Model Railway Exhibition 2020" today, which was excellent, and saw these on the "Severn Model" stand. Kev. (No connection whatsoever.) Hi Kev There's a guy over in the Berkenhead MRC Model Club My nearest that I go to to North Wales (Long Drive 1.30hrs for 2/3 hours when I do go...!) when ever I go over named, Kieth who make his own Pylons and they look fantastic... See Neil aka saxokid on RMWeb Neil is great mate or look under 'Banks Road' Club Layout, you should see couple of Pylons on Bank Road that Keith as made in his spare time. I thought I had a photo of it... but I'll keep looking for it. Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pylon King Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 6 hours ago, SHMD said: They are both available in N and 00 but I have no idea if they are available Ready-to-Run, so to speak, as I have nothing to do with Severn Models! Check their website by typing "Severn Models" into go-ogle. Kev. Mudmagnet Models build them . If you contact Severn Models they should be able to supply further information. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pylon King Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) Attended the Alton show on Saturday, some great layouts covering various themes but as usual not a single utility pole, pylon or substation. However there was gasworks modelled in 1:76 scale. Edited February 3, 2020 by Pylon King 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharrc20 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 19 hours ago, 7APT7 said: Hi Paul Yes, you are correct, was you with me...? when I took the photo or was alone lol as if you'd know I was alone Doh...! haha Regards Jamie Hi Jamie, no I never got round to going there but thought given it was in your neck of the woods you might have and you have indeed. The tower is a PL16 design and a DT90, which stands for Deviation Terminal for the standard chunky looking cross-arms then the 90 means it has an extra set of same cross-arms at 90 degrees to the original ones. Thus, allowing the 'outer' circuit to be turned around the tower a full 90d in this case to terminate into the substation. There is a further version of the same tower known as a DDT, which has an extra pair of short stubby cross-arms right on the tower peak where there are two earth wires instead of the usual one earth wire. Cheers Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 5 hours ago, pharrc20 said: Hi Jamie, no I never got round to going there but thought given it was in your neck of the woods you might have and you have indeed. The tower is a PL16 design and a DT90, which stands for Deviation Terminal for the standard chunky looking cross-arms then the 90 means it has an extra set of same cross-arms at 90 degrees to the original ones. Thus, allowing the 'outer' circuit to be turned around the tower a full 90d in this case to terminate into the substation. There is a further version of the same tower known as a DDT, which has an extra pair of short stubby cross-arms right on the tower peak where there are two earth wires instead of the usual one earth wire. Cheers Paul Hi Paul You mean like... Haha... Well you can kick it first... lol that's what mates do, I just wana see if it as any KICK TO IT... in my head it would be funnier if you kicked it first... lol oh... and I'll stand back and Film it... Doh! lol I bit like licking the end of 9v Battery when you were a kid... I still do it now... i'm only 46... still enjoying my YOUTH...! 5 hours ago, pharrc20 said: where there are two earth wires instead of the usual one earth wire. Regards Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Hi Paul While your at it... Sort this one out... It looks like a very early Prototype of what The DOC E. BROWN (Back to the Future) had on his head in 1955 when Marty Opened the Door to Marty, while he was trying to get back to 1985 lol Regards Jamie 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Pylon King said: Attended the Alton show on Saturday, some great layouts covering various themes but as usual not a single utility pole, pylon or substation. However there was gasworks modelled in 1:76 scale. Hi Pylon King Looking very SMART... it's those type of items that makes a Layout look more realistic for me... Yes, Paul's old MRC Club and the Show at Hazel Grove MRC last year 27/28 October 2019, there was a stand that made some exceptional looking Tower / Gas Tanks. I guess Paul, you may know the guy by name or Company I'm referring to, in N, 00 & 0-Gauges... those were the only Two Photo's I have so can't even tell you who does them, but he was there the previous year to... Regards Jamie Edited February 3, 2020 by 7APT7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharrc20 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, 7APT7 said: Hi Paul While your at it... Sort this one out... It looks like a very early Prototype of what The DOC E. BROWN (Back to the Future) had on his head in 1955 when Marty Opened the Door to Marty, while he was trying to get back to 1985 lol Regards Jamie Probably 11kV of some sort where the top trio of lines form a branch that feeds down to the other triple circuit below. The gubbins at the bottom with the grey insulators is some sort of isolating gear, which I think are controlled from the ground with someone holding a big long insulated pole and opening the breakers using the small hooks on the ends... Cheers Paul 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Hi All These are few Pylons up by me in North Wales, Explain this one that Seems to Turn a fair bit as appose to Connecting Straight in a Long Line of Pylons as you will see in photos lover down... Close up of the Turning Pylon, I remember the Angle of the Turn had something to do with it...!?! and were there two types of Angles, if so... (are both in any photo I have missed below...) and Is that across the board of all Pylon companies to...? Nebo TV Mast (I have Close-ups of this to...) of the TV Mast to bounce only 34 Channels over to Ireland in Distance according to my TV Arial Guy I had out recently... As well as the Turning Squared Top Pylon (Nearest to the camera) in the Photo Below the Last Pylon on the Left and a second Pylon which is the first one in the distance to the Right of the Squared Top Pylon on far Right (foreground or Nearest to Me) in this photo, are two Pointed Tipped if that's the word for it... What do those Pylons mean... (See... Furthest away in the string of Pylons and the one on the Far Left) Both have pointed Tops... See more Photos lower down... to see Pointed Tops a bit clearer... Pointed Top Pylons in the Above Photo, See the Left Most Pylon in the string of Pylons and the Third Pylon to the Right of Nebo Mast... I also have a feeling the Lowest one on the Horizon, if you Follow the string of Pylons to the furthest point may also be Pointed Top Type Pylon but can not be sure in the Photos attached. Is there a word for a String of Pylons or do you go Pylon cable lengths etc... Hmmm as One Cable Re-Joins another about every 3rd/4th Pylon although I know that is not always the case and I have plenty of those types to. Hope that is clear in the way I have worded it, sorry I don't know them by name lol Regards Jamie 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharrc20 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Hi Jamie, I recognise these ones... there are two main types of towers, the suspension towers the ones with the vertical hung insulator strings then there are the deviation towers used to turn or deviate the line by a set angle or upto a maximum angle. In theory on the suspension towers they can deviate by 2 degrees i.e. 1 degree either side of the tower. Where there are two three-phase circuits as per these towers these are known as D for double circuit towers i.e. one three phase circuit on each side of the tower. Some designs have single circuit and known as S towers. So the D suspension tower would be known as D2 tower. The design of tower you see here are known as L6 where L stands for Lattice tower type 6. There are 5 known L6 tower designs originally built by Balfour Beatty BB, Blaw Knox BK, British Insulated Callendar Cables BICC and JL Eve JLE. The fifth design was in essence the best of these four and I believe unless mistaken designed in house by the then Central Electricity Generating Board CEGB to a metric design instead of the original imperial standard. So the L6 deviation tower with the peaked top will be a D60 allowing the line to turn upto a maximum angle of 60 i.e. 30 degrees either side. Note the cross arm length is shorter on the inside of the turn and longer on the outside of the turn. The pointed peak towers in the distance will probably be D30 but if a smaller deviation may only be D10s. There are also D90 and terminal towers known as DT towers and lots of variations of plus special versions. At this point unless they have changed things since I was last up that way, only one circuit is live the one on the left or Snowdon /Talysarn side, the west or sea side circuit is in fact a dead circuit between the sealing compound near the end of Llanberis lake near Llanrug and the tower further down the A487 towards Porthmadog where the back road to Criccieth goes off....near The Goat Inn I think. At this point a 132kV from Pwlheli joins and runs to the terminal tower just outside Porthmadog. An 400kV underground cable joins at the Llanrug sealing compound that comes from Dinorwig. This joins the existing 400kV circuit from Trawfynydd. There was a plan to reinstate the second circuit to full 400kV between Pentir substation and Trawsfynydd to tie in with the proposed new nuclear power station at Wylfa on Anglesey to provide additional capacity. Cheers Paul 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharrc20 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I suppose a string of pylons sounds about right I've not come across an official phrase for this. Yes the maximum cable length would dictate the distance between the deviation towers in effect. Cheers Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, pharrc20 said: I suppose a string of pylons sounds about right I've not come across an official phrase for this. Yes the maximum cable length would dictate the distance between the deviation towers in effect. Cheers Paul Hi Paul Thanks for that mate, so how long is the average length of cables per run, about 1000m/3300ft or 500m/1640ft...? Regards Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, pharrc20 said: there are two main types of towers, the suspension towers the ones with the vertical hung insulator strings then there are the deviation towers Hi Paul That the very first thing you taught me and became interested ever since, I know that now, see I did listen lol TYPE 1 You get the Pylons that Start of a New Cable as in Photo below... and you see the Looping (Is there a Technical word for that connecting One Cable to Another Cable) by looping, I'm referring to the dangling cables that come off One Side of the Pylon and Loop under and Across to the Other side of the Pylon to connect to the next New Length of Cable. {where the Insulator are Horizontal} [Sorry I only have a close up of what I uploaded earlier,... in thread above] (I'll have to get that sorted out lol) Then You get TYPE 2 Then you have the Pylons where the {where the Insulator are Vertical} as seen in the Photo Below That I do understand is pretty straight forward every time I look at a Pylon now. Regards Jamie 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 47 minutes ago, pharrc20 said: An 400kV underground cable joins at the Llanrug sealing compound that comes from Dinorwig. This joins the existing 400kV circuit from Trawfynydd. There was a plan to reinstate the second circuit to full 400kV between Pentir substation and Trawsfynydd to tie in with the proposed new nuclear power station at Wylfa on Anglesey to provide additional capacity. I understand that Trawfynydd is just South of Porthmadog and a Lake with huge Concrete structure of the old Nuclear Power Station which the decommissioning of the nuclear power station back in 1991 in North Wales at Trawfynydd, So in the photos I have posted above from the start of the thread tonight of the long string of Pylons taken near to where I live, those go off towards Porthmadog and possible originally came from Trawfynydd Nuclear plant then... Regards Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, pharrc20 said: only one circuit is live the one on the left or Snowdon /Talysarn side, the west or sea side circuit is in fact a dead circuit between the sealing compound near the end of Llanberis lake near Llanrug Would not these Pylon Strings be from 'Electric Mountain' in Llanberis, with the Huge Hollow Space within the Mountain and 20 miles of road ways to enable access to all levels of the Four or Six Turbines and water pipes etc from the Top Lake to the Bottom Lake in Llanberis via the Turbines. [to create the 1.21 Giga Watts of Electricity we need to power the Flux Capacitors we need Eh... Sorry moved over to Doc Brown and Back to the Future lol] I would have thought Pylons that side in Llanberis are 'Electric Mountain' related or is that not the case...? It's very interesting, I have to say, I'd love to take photo of the Top Lake, buy Ray (Near Pentir) says its quiet guarded to get to... so maybe not, but next time i'm out that way I may take a few photos. Maybe Drone it would be better, I'm just outside 5 Miles of Caernarfon Airport, so that would be good and I've now qualified with all the new Drown Regs... and yearly Fee's that stepped in from October 31st, 2019. I have two registered drones I can Fly now each with there Licence Number visable. It's all politics now sadly, if I want to within 5 miles of any airport as small as Caernarfon Airport is, if I fly within set Miles, then I need permission off the Local Airport which is just not worth going there now... a load of forms to fill in and for an Hobby like model railways I can only see it getting worse or dearer. I have had to stop droning the Bontnewydd Bypass progress since November 1st due to being 2 Miles from the Airport which is a bit of a bummer to say the least. The Bigger Airport like Manchester, Gatewick or Hearthrow then the exclusion zone is 10 Miles... I can take photos for personal use but can not sell any of them as I will then need a Not Only do you need a Operator-Licence (that Enables you to Own a Drone) but also a Flyer-ID Licence (which enables you to then Fly a Drone), but you will need a Commercial Licence if you wish to sell photo or any video footage taken, which is just more money, extra exams... more expense... it's NUTS. I understand why they are doing it, to a degree, (it to get rid of the Hobbyist personally). Regards Jamie Edited February 6, 2020 by 7APT7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L2's are great! Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Hi everyone, finally found a proper L6 Balfour Beatty D90, fairly rare and unusual for D90s with even crossarms. Kind regards, Felix 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 6 hours ago, L2's are great! said: L6 Balfour Beatty D90 I Never knew that Balfour Beatty were in to producing Pylons till Paul mentioned the companies involved in producing them... On 06/02/2020 at 22:14, pharrc20 said: The design of tower you see here are known as L6 where L stands for Lattice tower type 6. There are 5 known L6 tower designs originally built by Balfour Beatty BB, Blaw Knox BK, British Insulated Callendar Cables BICC and JL Eve JLE. The fifth design was in essence the best of these four and I believe unless mistaken designed in house by the then Central Electricity Generating Board CEGB to a metric design instead of the original imperial standard. I'm amazed there are so many companies that are involved I would have thought this type of work would have been carried out my a single Government Recommended Comany that to appoint so many, I guess these are based on geographically... like Balfour Beatty BB, Blaw Knox BK, British Insulated Callendar Cables BICC and JL Eve JLE and Central Electricity Generating Board CEGB, as Paul pointed out. I had a family member who worked for Balfour Beatty but he was a big Sales / Buyer within the company and making £Millions£ Pound Deals for the Company that is why I notice Balfour Beatty company over any others stated, and I kind of amazed what they are involved in, I thought it was all Railway related but oh no... Interesting who does what or who gets which contracts in this world. Thanks to Paul and Pylon King... Regards Jamie 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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