HealeyMills Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Can anyone help me try to find pictures of 86/4s in BR blue as I'm not sure of the visible differences between those of the 86/2s? I am also wondering when they were repainted into the Intercity livery as I seem to think this was approx 85 - 86ish. Is this correct? Many thanks in advance Regards Lee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6975 Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Take a look here http://www.martinbray-ukloco.com/86001-86639.htm You'll notice that 86/4s had chunky multiple working fixtures on the front. These were later replaced with the much dinkier TDM system, making them look pretty much the same as an 86/2, but the blanking plates where the old boxes were are a dead giveaway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBelcher Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 I was surprised to see that there was actually a blue example (86402)! During my teenage years there only ever seemed to be IC-liveried ones at Wolverhampton HL. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Hiya See the following 86402 (1987) http://www.railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoom.php?img=0955002219018 86420 (1986) http://www.railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoom.php?img=0843000603018 86423 (1985) http://www.railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoom.php?img=0483020365023 86426 (1984) http://www.railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoom.php?img=0559020284000 http://www.railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoom.php?img=0999000953090 http://www.railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoom.php?img=0999001919090 (1985) http://www.railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoom.php?img=0934000385018 HTH Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Does anyone have a source of information as to which of the Class 86/4s wore BR Blue before they went on to wear later liveries? Also, whilst wearing BR Blue, did any of the 86/4s receive their names? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 I have 86311/312 named in 1983 and 86315/316/328 in 1984 86413/417/421/427/429/433 seem to have been named in 1985 as 86/4s. The first four conversions were in 1984 86002/320/326/032 The 1986 P5 Combined shows 86402 and 426 in blue, however, I found a picture of 86242 taken on 31st August 1984 in IC exec livery (but obviously new and clean). It is likely therefore that any conversions from late 1984 would have been in ICe livery. The link to the 86423 photo is a typo (happens to us all) its 86432 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 The 1986 photo showing '426 might have it in the Intercity 21 repaint with white cab roofs and replica Lion & Wheel emblems...? I'd agree that '402 was probably the last one left in blue, if you're looking for one to model. I seem to recall seeing an image somewhere (possibly on a postcard) of a Flexicoil fitted loco but with an 86/3 number, does this jog anyone's memories..? I'd be fairly certain the conversion would entail a repaint, but there's some chance a freshly painted loco that was sent for conversion could have only been patch-painted. Time to hit the books... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HealeyMills Posted April 25, 2010 Author Share Posted April 25, 2010 Thanks everyone for your posts, they've all been very helpful. (Jim thanks for the link to a very useful website). It seems as though the only external visible difference between 86/2s and 86/4s are the TDM jumper connectors/ cables. Regards Lee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted June 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2017 Take a look here http://www.martinbray-ukloco.com/86001-86639.htm You'll notice that 86/4s had chunky multiple working fixtures on the front. These were later replaced with the much dinkier TDM system, making them look pretty much the same as an 86/2, but the blanking plates where the old boxes were are a dead giveaway. However, 86007/407, and 316/416 might be exceptions. 86007 was still blue, with no MU jumpers, and no blanking plates, as 86007, as late as July 1986. 86316 was still blue, named "Wigan Pier", no MU jumpers or blanking plates, but with a headlight, in Feb 1986. See photos below. So, when they finally got converted, did they get MU jumpers, or did they go straight to TDM? 86316, MK, Feb 1986 https://flic.kr/p/C1y4Sd 86007, Rugby, July 1986 https://flic.kr/p/BTga7y https://flic.kr/p/C3RvMx cheers N Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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