vikingsmb Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) Hi everyone, this is a long shot, basically the permanent connection on a silver seal black five has snapped, I have tried to do a repair on it using the revel plastic glue but its snapped again, bit of a pain in the backside personally is anyone able to repair this at all please? , but I would like it modified to the later connection (tender and loco separate arrangement) if possible as someone I believe has done so, I'am more than willing to pay for it though as I don't want to loose the loco picture attached Any information/input much appreciated Many thanks Rob. Edited January 16, 2019 by vikingsmb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 81C Posted January 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2019 You could try here for spares. https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=Hornby+silver+seal+black+5&_sacat=0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsmb Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 hi 81c, I have tried, but no joy, but seeing if someone can do it professionally due to my time constraints. Many thanks Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 81C Posted January 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2019 If Peters Spares have the part you might be half way there in getting it fixed it's a weak point and a repair would not hold you really need a new chassis for the tender. https://www.petersspares.com/ You could always put request on the "Wanted" section for that part post the photo as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 How old is this loco? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsmb Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) early 70's mate, its the original Hornby black five with all wheels driven on the tender, and the tender/loco permanently connected, good hauler as well. my layout is 100% system 6 early half sleeper quadruple track Edited January 16, 2019 by vikingsmb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2019 If you want to bring it a bit more current, the slightly newer tender chassis (which is still used today) is X896. This would give you a “pin” connector. The replacement drawbar is x895. You would need to solder the wire from loco pick ups to the draw bar, and the opposite rail, to the tender frame. Silver seal was a good idea, as all 6 wheels would have traction tyres in the tender, but relied on the loco for pickups, hence the permanent connection. Here is what the revised one looks like. I had one like this, which was sentimental, but rusted / seized between loco wheels and chassis. Instead I made mine a loco drive using a current Hornby railroad chassis (it’s a straight replacement) for the older one. You can then either have it double powered (tender and loco) or just remove the unneeded motor from the tender (which is what your seeing here, I just swapped tender chassis too, to be DCC ready). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsmb Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 might give it a thought, but would like to stick to ringfields etc due to ease of servicing, rather have locos that are easy to change brushes on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) The X895/X896 are simply the chassis and drawbar and should not affect the ringfield motor Edited January 16, 2019 by Butler Henderson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Hornby's "Silver Seal" tender drives had traction tyres on both sides, and are excellent haulers as stated. This meant all pick ups were on the non driven main loco wheels, power transferred to tender via 2 fixed wires and a fixed drawbar. The newer tender drives have tyres on one side only - the opposite sides pick up, with the other pick up on the loco supplying power via a disconnectable drawbar. Perhaps you could use a modern drive connection to couple the loco to tender, leaving the power wires as is, or fabricate a new one from brass strip, attach to the tender with a small nut / bolt or self tapping screw. https://www.petersspares.com/Hornby-x8432m-class-a1-a3-a4-drawbar-with-pickups.ir You would need to re route the wires where they pass through the coupling eye as in your photo. Good luck, Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2019 might give it a thought, but would like to stick to ringfields etc due to ease of servicing, rather have locos that are easy to change brushes on. X895/6 is the replacement of your broken part...the plastic tender frame, and drawbar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsmb Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 hi guys thanks for your input on this, I will keep trying but worst case scenario I will scrap the loco and purchase a later ringfield one. Cheers Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Where are you based? Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 hi guys thanks for your input on this, I will keep trying but worst case scenario I will scrap the loco and purchase a later ringfield one. Cheers Rob. Hopefully you will sell rather than scrap, even with the faults it's not worth nothing, useful either as a project or for spares Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsmb Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 hi stewart, Cardiff mate, Cheers Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) The replacement chassis part is now coded X9104 (the old Black Five tooling was used for Henry in the now withdrawn Thomas the Tank range https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/servicesheets/index/download/id/32/). That used a twin pole drawbar connection so would make a simpler replacement (existing wires cut, removed from old chassis and the ends soldered in place to the chassis connection and the relevant drawbar, X9100). Snag is X9104 seems to be pretty scarce. Edited January 17, 2019 by Butler Henderson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsmb Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 cheers for that butler h, I will keep looking but worse case scenario I will scrap her, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 hi stewart, Cardiff mate, Cheers Rob Mmm fair distance. I was going to say if you were local, pop over and I could cobble something together. Also, I *think* I may have a complete tender drive loco + tender in my surplus box, but I'd have to search. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsmb Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 hi stewart I'm more than happy to post if required mate Cheers Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Give me a day or two, I'll look to see if I have the "disposal " one and what version, then I'll pm you with options? Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsmb Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 ok thanks mate you are a star Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsmb Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 any joy stewart? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 any joy stewart? Not found it yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsmb Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 ok buddy thanks mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventrain Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) On 16/01/2019 at 18:53, vikingsmb said: Many thanks Rob. your image was version was 1973-75 chassis with silver seal motor with brush caps and all six traction tyres, two wiring to loco. Part number Tender Chassis frame X825 1976 version same as above but tooling change for pin connector (no two wiring to loco) and reduced to two traction tyres. Part number Tender Chassis frame X895 In 1977 tooling change motor housing with arms on brush, two small weights and two traction tyres - still until 1987. In 1988 the tender chassis will be metal such as 8F. Edited February 24, 2019 by steventrain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now