Edwardian Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 On 16/04/2019 at 19:34, Killian keane said: the Thwaites 0-6-0 is 80% done, anybody got the inside diameter of a 4'6" tyre in 00 handy? I assume this is so that you can 3D print wheel inserts? I spoke to Colin at Alan Gibson about this issue last weekend. He said that the insert would have to be specific to a given manufacturer's wheel. Even then he felt that it would be incredibly difficult to get a precise fit. On the latter point, I note that Turbosnail has successfully done this with his Single tank. He used Romfords. I think you need to choose a specific manufacturer's wheels, get hold of them and measure it yourself. How have you got on with ovalising (!) the boiler? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Edwardian said: I assume this is so that you can 3D print wheel inserts? I spoke to Colin at Alan Gibson about this issue last weekend. He said that the insert would have to be specific to a given manufacturer's wheel. Even then he felt that it would be incredibly difficult to get a precise fit. On the latter point, I note that Turbosnail has successfully done this with his Single tank. He used Romfords. I think you need to choose a specific manufacturer's wheels, get hold of them and measure it yourself. How have you got on with ovalising (!) the boiler? Ill make the inserts 4' 6" diameter to be turned down to fit, the boiler is oval now, though ever so slightly its hardly noticeable, lion for example had a boiler only some 2" higher than it was wide when new if my memory serves, the tender has its flair and all that has to be done is the chassis and the backhead detail, which does not amount to a lot of time Edited April 26, 2019 by Killian keane 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted May 10, 2019 Author Share Posted May 10, 2019 One final design work post before you start seeing test prints, the completed Thwaites and Carbutt goods and a Sharpie goods, both from Mr Boulton's stable, the latter was a very widespread class with examples owned by the LNWR, LSWR, Manchester and Leeds, Manchester and Birmingham, Birmingham and Gloucester and St Helens Railways amongst others 10 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 The finished Thwaites and Carbutt loco looks excellent. Please do let me know if and when available for sale! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted May 16, 2019 Author Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) On 16/05/2019 at 09:43, Edwardian said: The finished Thwaites and Carbutt loco looks excellent. Please do let me know if and when available for sale! I assure you its when and not if, the first print of Seaford has been ordered, and the thwaites 0-6-0 will be next, in the meantime if any members on here with printers want to give it a go Ill happily send them the files Edit: Im very pleased to see several people have taken me up on this offer Edited May 17, 2019 by Killian keane 4 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted May 28, 2019 Author Share Posted May 28, 2019 Another appeal for drawings if I may, this time the LCDR Echo class, I have a side drawing as built but I do also quite like them in rebuilt form as 4-4-0s, thanks, Killian 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 With thanks to Knuckles today I took delivery of the first print of Seaford, the chassis will need narrowing by .5 to 1mm for those building to 00, otherwise I deem it a great success 7 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 To say this is a difficult design would be a tongue in cheek remark, no elegant curvature to worry about, very little curvature at all for that matter 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Killian keane said: To say this is a difficult design would be a tongue in cheek remark, no elegant curvature to worry about, very little curvature at all for that matter I'm already on a high as the Thwaites & Carbutt print arrived today - pictures to follow - but, OOh, this looks like .... I've always loved these (ever since encountering Neil, on Sodor) and there is, believe it or not, already one listed on the early WNR roster. So, perhaps this could be another loco passed to the Norfolk Minerals? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestTom Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I like this concept. The Neilson box tanks are also favourites of mine, really unique little engines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted June 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18, 2019 The West Somerset Mineral Line Association has some lovely drawings on it’s website: just enter Neilson into the search box on the gallery page, to get beautiful images like this: 6 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 And what's sauce for the West Somerset Mineral is sauce for the Norfolk Minerals ...... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted June 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 28/05/2019 at 22:55, Killian keane said: Another appeal for drawings if I may, this time the LCDR Echo class, I have a side drawing as built but I do also quite like them in rebuilt form as 4-4-0s, thanks, Killian Oo, oo oo! I am a very naughty boy! If you print one of these I am likely to buy one. One was based at Faversham where my wife's grandparents lived, but it probably had a full cab and had been reboilered so probably nothing like one you might produce. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChrisN said: Oo, oo oo! I am a very naughty boy! If you print one of these I am likely to buy one. One was based at Faversham where my wife's grandparents lived, but it probably had a full cab and had been reboilered so probably nothing like one you might produce. There's not an enormous amount of difference between 1865 condition and c. 1905 condition when it comes down to it, just the boiler and cab, itd be the biggest loco Ive ever done, and Ill happily do it given access to drawings, I have two photos of them in secr days and they're still very handsome machines, in addition theres a nice stud of secr rtr plus turbosnails f1 so that would be a sensible move Edited June 19, 2019 by Killian keane 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, Killian keane said: There's not an enormous amount of difference between 1865 condition and c. 1905 condition when it comes down to it, just the boiler and cab, itd be the biggest loco Ive ever done, and Ill happily do it given access to drawings, I have two photos of them in secr days and they're still very handsome machines, in addition theres a nice stud of secr rtr plus turbosnails f1 so that would be a sensible move Could be tempted, and, indeed, I was tempted quite recently .... Many thanks both to Killian and to Knuckles. Just have to work out how to motorise it ,,, 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 Well James I must ask, is the 0-6-0 satisfactory detail-wise conpared with your thoughts on Dr Newmans products? I must apologise I cant offer it for a lower price at the minute as Im not taking a cut as it is so its up to knuckles, Im looking forward to seeing it build up 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted June 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, Killian keane said: There's not an enormous amount of difference between 1865 condition and c. 1905 condition when it comes down to it, just the boiler and cab, itd be the biggest loco Ive ever done, and Ill happily do it given access to drawings, I have two photos of them in secr days and they're still very handsome machines, in addition theres a nice stud of secr rtr plus turbosnails f1 so that would be a sensible move Looking at the pictures I have in the RCTS book of the Locomotive History of the LCDR they do not look very different although the cab followed the curve of the rear splasher and there was a sandbox on the filled in front splasher; easier to take back in time rather than forward. !905 condition is the same as the 1890s which is when I would need to it be based. The boiler appears the same and the cab could be added. The LCDR appears to have less made for it than the Cambrian. Perhaps I should go to a re-education camp and do a GWR BLT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Killian keane said: Well James I must ask, is the 0-6-0 satisfactory detail-wise conpared with your thoughts on Dr Newmans products? I must apologise I cant offer it for a lower price at the minute as Im not taking a cut as it is so its up to knuckles, Im looking forward to seeing it build up In reviewing my answer, I realise that I have composed something of a product review, but I hope it will be useful to both you and others. The detail looks good and to be in scale. It's a fairly sparse loco and hardly replete with surface detail, but where it should be found, it is found. The visible parts of the loco springs seem to have formed, the cab sheets are much finer, with much finer stanchion supports than on Lion (although one side suffered a slight crack, which can easily be repaired), and the planking to the firebox is nice and narrow, with the grooves clearly discernible without looking exaggerated. The boiler bands are similarly fine and subtle, but perfectly captured. The top of the chimney, the top of the haystack firebox and the tender faring are fine and elegantly shaped. These have come out looking very good, so I think you have succeeded in designing a practical print that does not compromise the appearance of the thin edges of such features on the prototype. It will need priming, I guess, before the detail shows up, so I'm afraid that my pictures do not do the fineness or detail of the print justice. More skill in both design and in printing (by Knuckles) than is immediately obvious must underlie this print. As to cost and quality, it was an instructive exercise. First, I would say, the resin used by Knuckles is smoother and better than Shapeways FUD (or whatever it's now called). I have the same Sharp Stewart tenders from Knuckles in both media. His home-printed resin is smoother. Second, it's cheaper. We know this from comparing Knuckles' Shapeways and non-Shapeways lists. In the case of your Thwaites & Carbut, I uploaded the files to Shapeways in order to find out how much it would cost in comparison using Shapeways FUD. I was not surprised to learn that the non-mark-up Shapeways cost was greater than the marked-up Photon quote from Knuckles. The small items, buffers and chimneys, also fell victim to the Shapeways pricing structure; you'd need them all on a 'sprue' printed together to make it cost effective. As configured, the non-markup cost of the 4 buffers on Shapeways would have been £28.48. The Shapeways total for the bodies, buffers and chimney in FUD, without mark-up, came to £82.18, excluding postage. The cost of printing the chassis is not included in this total. With Knuckles printing the bodies and fittings in resin, and me printing the chassis off Shapeways in WSF, the total cost to me, inclusive of postage from both suppliers, was £74.75. To do all the prints on Shapeways in FUD and WSF, using my own account, so paying no-one's mark up, would have costs c.£100. Clearly, if you have access to a Photon printer, or to someone who will print to order for a reasonable margin, you are going to get better quality finishes on things like loco and rolling stock bodies for less than the cost of printing these in FUD via your own Shapeways account. WSF remains a good choice for the chassis, though, and here Shapeways did represent the marginally better option in mechanical properties and was cost-effective. I elected not to print the wheels, as I do no feel confident in my ability to replace wheel centres with sufficient precision. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 I don't believe Ive formally announced Jenny lind on rmweb, it should be ready for printing by Saturday or Sunday this week, like the sharp 0-4-2 it shares a tender plus boiler mountings with other classes which could potentially be modelled in the future 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Simpson Posted June 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2019 Hope Killian doesn't mind me posting a couple of shots of his excellent Sharp 0-4-2 goods loco print here: In 3.5 mm, I'm afraid, so please ignore the ruler in the first photograph. 6 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 This morning I awoke to the unexpected and very pleasant surprise that Linny had test printed the tender for Jenny, a few alterations need making, but thanks to Linny it looks fab 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I very much like both your jenny Lind and the 2-4-0 Sharp 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 We're getting tantalisingly close ladies and gentlemen 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I adore these. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Killian keane said: We're getting tantalisingly close ladies and gentlemen I raise you a toast, Ladies and Gentlemen... There'll always be a Jenny... Wherever there's a Lind... Edited June 21, 2019 by sem34090 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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