LU_fan Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Is there anywhere I could find information about what coaches were in NSE possession and what livery they wore during 1988-1990? I just placed an order for some Railtec NSE transfers and I'm wondering which Mk1 and Mk2A numbers fit my timeframe. And of course which numbers belong on what type of coach. Wouldn't for example want to wind up with a BSO number on an RMB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted March 12, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 12, 2019 Depends which route you are talking about, Padd - Oxford, Waterloo - Exeter, Cross - Cambridge etc. RMB was only Cambridge I believe and would be 1xxx Firsts were in the range 3xxx up to 3439, then declassified first 36xx Seconds started at 3738 well into 5xxx Composites 7xxx Brake seconds 9xxx Corridor firsts 13xxx First brakes 17xxx Corridor seconds 18xxx, 19xxx and 24xxx Brake seconds 34xxx and 35xxx Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LU_fan Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 I don't really have a specific route in mind, but as I'm running Class 50's Paddington-Oxford and Waterloo-Exeter might be the most appropriate ones. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bendall Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 On 11/03/2019 at 21:32, LU_fan said: Is there anywhere I could find information about what coaches were in NSE possession and what livery they wore during 1988-1990? Best bet would be to get the Platform 5 Locomotives & Coaching Stock pocket book for 1990 and 1991. Several on ebay at the moment. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LU_fan Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 Thanks for the tip, order placed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railtec-models Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Seeing this has prompted me to create a new page on the Railtec site, where ~25 years' worth of sightings from the Railtec team spanning 1983-2007 has been published. It's not pretty and it may need a little deciphering in parts, but it may provide a reasonable indication of what typical stock formations there were as well as typical loco whereabouts through the eras. Being based in Manchester with sporadic jollies around the isle, NSE rosters are thin on the ground but hopefully of some use to someone. http://www.railtec-models.com/archive.php Happy spotting! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) On 11/03/2019 at 21:32, LU_fan said: Is there anywhere I could find information about what coaches were in NSE possession and what livery they wore during 1988-1990? I just placed an order for some Railtec NSE transfers and I'm wondering which Mk1 and Mk2A numbers fit my timeframe. And of course which numbers belong on what type of coach. Wouldn't for example want to wind up with a BSO number on an RMB. This thread may help? https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/49528-mk2-coaches-numbering-and-working-patterns/ Edited April 27, 2019 by ess1uk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 On 12/03/2019 at 23:13, LU_fan said: I don't really have a specific route in mind, but as I'm running Class 50's Paddington-Oxford and Waterloo-Exeter might be the most appropriate ones. They would have different stock for the different routes and unlikely you would see them together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LU_fan Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 15 hours ago, ess1uk said: This thread may help? https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/49528-mk2-coaches-numbering-and-working-patterns/ It may indeed. Following it, and will look through it later. 6 hours ago, Shed said: They would have different stock for the different routes and unlikely you would see them together Well, I have seen pictures of trains with a mix of Mk1's and Mk2's, so they were seen together occasionally. As for the routes, they're simply used for inspirational purposes and gathering information. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LU_fan Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 That does help indeed! I've already purchased three Platform 5 books, but wasn't quite sure how to tell what livery a coach wore from all the text. I would prefer to run out of the box models, and indeed that's what I've got so far. The biggest "conversion" I've done was to change the couplers and wheels on a Lima Mk2 TSO micro buffet. I do intend on changing the windows too. But no major rebuilds. Thank you very much for your input, Paul. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted April 29, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 29, 2019 In the P5 books, the first bold letter after the coach number is the livery code - the key to codes will be on the inside front or back cover. (Coaches are assumed to be standard blue/grey unless indicated otherwise). Then follows the sector pool code, a letter for detail differences if needed and finally the allocated depot code. e.g. mk2a corridor first (FK): 13436 N NWRX v OM The coach has NSE livery, is in the NSE - Western Region pool, vacuum brakes (some have air brakes) and is allocated to Old Oak Common CARMD (carriage maintenance depot) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LU_fan Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 3 hours ago, keefer said: In the P5 books, the first bold letter after the coach number is the livery code - the key to codes will be on the inside front or back cover. (Coaches are assumed to be standard blue/grey unless indicated otherwise). Then follows the sector pool code, a letter for detail differences if needed and finally the allocated depot code. e.g. mk2a corridor first (FK): 13436 N NWRX v OM The coach has NSE livery, is in the NSE - Western Region pool, vacuum brakes (some have air brakes) and is allocated to Old Oak Common CARMD (carriage maintenance depot) Thank you very much for your help! 2 hours ago, bigP said: No problem, If the P5 book doesn't have a livery code next to it then it will be in standard BR Blue & Grey livery, although by 1988 if it's in a NSE pool (ie NWRx or NSSx) then it will have had the NSE branding applied, like these... https://www.hattons.co.uk/182187/Bachmann_Branchline_39_003_Pack_of_two_Mk1_coaches_in_BR_blue_grey_with_Network_SouthEast_branding_and_pas/StockDetail.aspx Certainly you can easily do a NWRx mk1 set using Bachmann items. Might have to do a bit of 2nd Hand/eBay hunting though. mk1 SK https://www.hattons.co.uk/10314/Bachmann_Branchline_39_031_BR_Mk1_SK_2nd_corridor_in_Network_South_East_livery/StockDetail.aspx mk2a BFK https://railsofsheffield.com/products/27709/Bachmann-39-412a-oo-gauge-br-mk2a-bfk-brake-first-corridor-network-southeast (although that BFK is air braked so you'd have to do a bit of underframe modelling) Paul Yeah, I was kinda prepared for a little eBay hunting. Is there a big difference in underbody details, or just some minor bits and pieces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Why not just do some contemporary 'spotting' by watching videos from the period. I found this one to be particularly good for the NSE formations for trains out of Paddington... Guy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shed Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Good video too fast for me to tell what was passing though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted April 29, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 29, 2019 I think if you watch the video on a full browser at youtube.com, there should be a setting which allows you to slow down the playback e.g. half or quarter speed. (Click on the video, then on the settings 'gear wheel') 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 56 minutes ago, keefer said: I think if you watch the video on a full browser at youtube.com, there should be a setting which allows you to slow down the playback e.g. half or quarter speed. (Click on the video, then on the settings 'gear wheel') I will give that a go myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted April 29, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 29, 2019 I think that might be optimistic. The quality of 1990s video capture wasn’t that great. I know.... I’ve tried. All I saw were blurry blue rectangles where the numbers should have been. Griff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LU_fan Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 14 hours ago, lyneux said: Why not just do some contemporary 'spotting' by watching videos from the period. I found this one to be particularly good for the NSE formations for trains out of Paddington... Guy I have actually seen that one, and a few others, but quite a few of the ones I've seen don't show the full trains. Sometimes they cut after the first one or two coaches. 13 hours ago, bigP said: Not really on those 2a BFK. If the model is of an air braked coach then remove the brake supply reservoir and add vacuum cylinders would be the most obvious visible thing to distinguish it as air or vac braked. Obviously all the coaches need to be running on the same type of braking system. There are plenty of threads about this sort of thing and plenty of aftermarket details available. If you want to get really detailed you can start detailing the underframes to be 100% specific, but for that you'll need to do a lot of research. That's a nice vid of trains at Acton, and shows quite nicely the wide variation that crept into Thames formations once the stock from Euston and Cambridge (Liv St services) were transferred to Old Oak. The first train on the up Main there looks to be a Scottish Push Pull 47, and it's got a mk2 BSO from Cambridge (in the later Dark Blue) and a mk1 CK from Euston (in the faded first blue) in the train. Also shows how the mk1 and mk2 TSO stock got jumbled about within formations and not kept to separate formations. Paul Thanks, Paul. Might look into that. I've heard of the ScotRail 47/7, and seen quite a few pics of it actually. Don't know if I've seen that video though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lyneux Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 11 hours ago, griffgriff said: I think that might be optimistic. The quality of 1990s video capture wasn’t that great. I know.... I’ve tried. All I saw were blurry blue rectangles where the numbers should have been. True, it's not possible to work out numbers but it's easy to spot the coach type to work out a general pattern (especially if you slow it down as indicated). The video I linked shows at least 4 full rakes. As a general pattern a mix of Mk1 and Mk2: Three to four SO/SK + a couple of either BSK, BFK, FK, FO + another three to five SO/SK. Guy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 I might have some notes from early in your 1988-1990 period including actual coach numbers in Thames Valley sets. Should I go hunting for them? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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