RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted November 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2019 Early BR mk1's had wood panelling interiors, sometimes with a small plastic plate displaying the wood type- "Crown Elm" and "Lacewood" are the two that I remember seeing on BR in the 1980's (and regret never photographing!) What other types of wood were used in mk1 panelling? And how thick were the panels? Were they actually panels, or were they a veneer of say Crown Elm over a base, like hardboard? Cheers N Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 9 hours ago, rodent279 said: Early BR mk1's had wood panelling interiors, sometimes with a small plastic plate displaying the wood type- "Crown Elm" and "Lacewood" are the two that I remember seeing on BR in the 1980's (and regret never photographing!) What other types of wood were used in mk1 panelling? And how thick were the panels? Were they actually panels, or were they a veneer of say Crown Elm over a base, like hardboard? Cheers N They would have been veneered on plywood : hardboard's far too unstable ! .....I think a list of woods appeared in Parkin ( https://www.abebooks.co.uk/book-search/title/british-railways-mark-1-coaches/author/parkin-keith/ ) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SVR C & W Posted November 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2019 Most of the panel work is 6mm or 3mm plywood. Sapele/ mahogany veneer was also used. TSOs had lacewood or crown elm or similar coloured timber veneer with Sapele in the vestibules. Compartment coaches varied as to where they were built. You also had formica interiors which were rather dull (in my opinion). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted November 12, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2019 It was the later builds (1960s) of Mk1 coaches made extensive use of Formica and not wood for the internal finishes. The RMBs being a fairly late addition to the fleet only used Formica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2019 I wouldn't like to say when the formica appeared but I think it was before 1966 and the change to blue/grey corporate livery. Some earlier built coaches were 'refurbished' with it, and with what my nan used to call effervescent lighting. At Canton in the 70s our older refurbished rakes, on B1 bogies and used for excursion/charter work, retained the wood veneer finishes. At the time mk1s were introduced there had been a spate of fires, including a very nasty incident at Beattock, that had been spread by the use of an inflammable lacquer in the varnish, and a feature of the mk1s was that the veneers were fire resistant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Johnster said: ....... a feature of the mk1s was that the veneers were fire resistant. Unfortunately the sleeping car laundry wasn't - as they discovered at Taunton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2019 Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it. These were mk3 sleepers with largely formica internal panels even if some were 'wood effect'; I understand flammable veneer did play a part in this tragedy, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted November 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2019 ...... erm definitely mk1 sleepers in the fire .....heres the report https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/DoT_Taunton1978.pdf Griff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 3 hours ago, The Johnster said: Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it. These were mk3 sleepers with largely formica internal panels even if some were 'wood effect'; I understand flammable veneer did play a part in this tragedy, though. Taunton was in effect the end for the Mk l sleeping car and the reason for building the Mk lll fleet. Mark Saunders 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieK Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Late build Mark 1 TSOs had laminate finishes in the passenger saloons. Light grey side panels with a subtle "cross" pattern that reminds me of the telescopic sights on a rifle. Transverse partitions had a red laminate that latterly faded to a pinkish colour, or a vivid lime green-ish colour. On a local steam railway, such a TSO was overhauled and lost the laminate in favour of wood veneer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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