Andrew Young Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 5 hours ago, great central said: Without wishing to drag the thread too far off topic, compare and contrast the Meridian I showed with the next train at the same platform on the same day. Edit: Andrew you work through Derby regularly, aren't EMRs trains consistently scruffier than other operators? If yet to see a scruffy Azuma either. Wonder whether that’s because they’re mostly electric propelled (so no oil being spat out by engines that have been thrashed for 20 years) or whether they have better and more advanced cleaning plants? Agree that EMR are the worst presented trains. Some of the 156s on the Crewe line are vile inside! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Andrew Young said: If yet to see a scruffy Azuma either. Wonder whether that’s because they’re mostly electric propelled (so no oil being spat out by engines that have been thrashed for 20 years) or whether they have better and more advanced cleaning plants? Agree that EMR are the worst presented trains. Some of the 156s on the Crewe line are vile inside! They will be the ex Anglia ones, before intensive, in service, cleaning during covid lockdowns they were even worse, and had been like it for years! Before a 156 is despatched to it's new life with Northern they have to be specially cleaned. That says something in itself! Edited October 30, 2022 by great central Add last paragraph 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Claude_Dreyfus Posted October 30, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2022 An unidentified Voyager heads into York with a southbound service on 9th July 2022. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psiborg Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 222002 at Trowell Junction on 13th August 2007 222006 at Nottingham on 24th August 2007 Simon 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psiborg Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 222102 at Newark North Gate on 8th May 2008 Simon 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted October 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) Yes, I know Super Voyagers have 5 coaches, but I wasn't aware of the differences when I added the captions. Edited November 11, 2022 by phil_sutters Comment on an inaccurate caption 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psiborg Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 220010 leading 221123 at Chesterfield on 3rd July 2015 221125 at Leeds on 27 March 2015 221109 and 221110 at Birmingham International on 27 November 2016 Simon Edited November 3, 2022 by Psiborg corrected caption 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psiborg Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 220028 at Sheffield on 3rd July 2016 221112 at Chester on 29th September 2014 222006 at Derby on 10th July 2016 Simon 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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D6150 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 First trip of 2023 to Dundee for work. Here's 220012 stopped under the over-bridge at Dundee. I've always assumed it's a footbridge, but does anyone know for sure? A bright but bitterly cold day, with some fab views of the sun coming up over Aberdeenshire and Angus. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, D6150 said: I've always assumed it's a footbridge, but does anyone know for sure? It was but isn't publically accessible now. It used to provide direct access from what is now Riverside Drive bit the buildings above the station are now a music school, so it provides their access point. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6150 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Another "under the bridge" shot from me. Here's 220020 at Dundee this morning. Bright but cold, maybe spring is on the way? When I travelled on the Aberdeen-Plymouth service last year it was normally worked by Class 221's. This year so far it's been Class 220's. Has there been a change of policy at CrossCountry or are the two classes normally used interchangeably? Thanks Ken 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, D6150 said: Another "under the bridge" shot from me. Here's 220020 at Dundee this morning. Bright but cold, maybe spring is on the way? When I travelled on the Aberdeen-Plymouth service last year it was normally worked by Class 221's. This year so far it's been Class 220's. Has there been a change of policy at CrossCountry or are the two classes normally used interchangeably? Thanks Ken Fully interchangeable, has been since 2008 when XC ceased dedicating 221s to specific diagrams requiring EPS running. For instance, yesterday 1V60 (0820 Aberdeen to Plymouth) was a 221, today it was a 220. You may be interested to know that 1V60 is down to be extended to Penzance again from May. The northbound continues to terminate at Edinburgh however, except on Fridays and Saturdays as per the December timetable change. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6150 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Thanks for the feedback. Passenger loadings seem to be quite light from Aberdeen to Dundee whenever I'm travelling, so I wondered if a 220 was more cost-effective than a 221? Having said that, there is usually a good crowd waiting to board in Dundee. I've always been puzzled that the reverse trip from Plymouth/Penzance stops at Edinburgh/Dundee. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, D6150 said: Thanks for the feedback. Passenger loadings seem to be quite light from Aberdeen to Dundee whenever I'm travelling, so I wondered if a 220 was more cost-effective than a 221? Having said that, there is usually a good crowd waiting to board in Dundee. I've always been puzzled that the reverse trip from Plymouth/Penzance stops at Edinburgh/Dundee. Thanks 221s do drink more fuel, not merely the extra carriage - they are heavier as well. A lot of the intermediate stops haven't been added back yet. Leuchars is due to be inserted again from May, but the calls at Cupar, Ladybank, Markinch, Kirkcaldy and Inverkeithing are not. There was always some Fife to Edinburgh traffic on the service. The current offering is a far cry from Virgin's two-hourly Dundee to Cardiff service plus one a day Aberdeen-Poole that was part of the original Voyager timetable. Edited February 7, 2023 by hexagon789 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6150 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Here's 221126 at Dundee this morning, just to remind me that CrossCountry are still using Class 221's on the Aberdeen to Plymouth service. A busier service from Aberdeen today, plus a good crowd of passengers waiting to board at Dundee. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6150 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 This is 221127 departing sunny Arbroath this morning, on the Aberdeen to Plymouth service. Arbroath Station has quite a few "Ghost in the Machine" features, but unfortunately I didn't have time to get any other pictures today. Ken 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted March 30, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2023 220028 at Eastleigh on 26/07/02 (my photo) 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted April 5, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2023 220017 "Bombardier Voyager" & 220008 at Heamies Farm, Staffs, on 28/03/02 (my photo) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted April 12, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) 220018 and 220027 at Stafford on 27/04/02 (my photo) Edited June 6, 2023 by franciswilliamwebb ...upgraded image file 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted April 16, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2023 220004 "New Dawn" at Elford on 22/06/01 (my photo) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6150 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Here's a slightly wonky shot of 221129 at Dundee this morning. No catering on the Aberdeen to Plymouth service until Edinburgh, so I had to wait until Dundee for a caffeine hit. Otherwise an excellent trip with some very welcome spring sunshine. Thanks Ken 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted April 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 21, 2023 220027 slows for Banbury on 25/07/02 (my photo) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted April 28, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 28, 2023 221123 at Didcot on 03/09/02 (my photo) 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted May 1, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 1, 2023 220028 at Eastleigh on 26/07/02 (my photo) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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