RMweb Gold lakeview770 Posted May 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 11, 2020 Hi all, I am trying to locate a track diagram of Norton Fitzwarren during GWR days for a TS2020 project I'm working on. I have a copy of the great book Historical survey of selected GWR track diagrams by RH Clark (Vol 1), sadly this doesn't contain a diagram however there are 3 more books in the series and I was hoping someone could tell me if any of the other books had a diagram in. I cant afford to randomly buy the books and have shipped to the USA on the off chance it will contain the diagram many thanks Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted May 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 11, 2020 Have a look at the NLS site and put in Taunton and follow the railway west to Norton Fitzwarren, also select the 25 inch map series, there are two or three dates for the maps, they are about 98% accurate. Sorry I am unable to provide a direct link at the moment. If you want to save the map, you will have to use the print screen facility on your computer or if you use Templot you can download it to your preferred scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted May 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, lakeview770 said: Hi all, I am trying to locate a track diagram of Norton Fitzwarren during GWR days for a TS2020 project I'm working on. I have a copy of the great book Historical survey of selected GWR track diagrams by RH Clark (Vol 1), sadly this doesn't contain a diagram however there are 3 more books in the series and I was hoping someone could tell me if any of the other books had a diagram in. I cant afford to randomly buy the books and have shipped to the USA on the off chance it will contain the diagram many thanks Andy Hi Andy, Yes, one of the four volumes does include Norton Fitzwarren. I will check which one. Joseph Edit: Vol. 2. It has diagrams for both before and after rebuilding. But the diagram for after is incomplete at the east end. So the NLS Ordnance Survey may be a better option. Edited May 11, 2020 by Joseph_Pestell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold lakeview770 Posted May 11, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 11, 2020 Thanks guys Ill order Vol2, the east end towards taunton is not important as the routeIm working on is from Norton Fitzwarren to Barnstaple Victoria. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted May 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) 1902 25-inch OS map: https://maps.nls.uk/view/106023737#zoom=4&lat=10599&lon=13898&layers=BT 1929: https://maps.nls.uk/view/106023740#zoom=4&lat=10690&lon=13993&layers=BT If you go into the geo-referenced view, you get the 1902 map with continuous coverage and by using the blue-dot slider (bottom-left) you can fade in/out modern satellite images: https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=51.02367&lon=-3.14974&layers=168&b=1 instead of doing a screengrab/print, if you click 'Print PDF' (tab in bottom left) then it generates a PDF document of the area being viewed Edited May 11, 2020 by keefer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold lakeview770 Posted May 12, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 12, 2020 thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) If you want the signalling diagram, it is shown in: Signal Box Diagrams of the Great Western & Southern Railways By GA Pryor Volume 8 G.W.R. Lines Taunton to Exeter and branches Regards Will Edited May 15, 2020 by WillCav incorrect spelling (doh!) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jointline Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 You may be interested in Tony Cooke's Track Layout Diagrams of the Great Western Railway: Taunton and West Somerset Section 16 Cooke, R.A. which is available here: https://www.abebooks.co.uk/products/isbn/9781871674057?cm_sp=bdp-_-ISBN10-_-PLP They give all the details, and, more importantly, the dates of changes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold lakeview770 Posted May 13, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 13, 2020 thank you very much for those replies and advise. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold lakeview770 Posted May 14, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 14, 2020 Ordered the publications you all mentioned except the book by prior as I cant seem to find a copy online so if you knowof any oood bookshops that may have it please let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold melmoth Posted May 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 15, 2020 8 hours ago, lakeview770 said: Ordered the publications you all mentioned except the book by prior as I cant seem to find a copy online so if you knowof any oood bookshops that may have it please let me know. George Pryer's (note the spelling) diagrams should be available from the Signalling Record Society in some shape or form. Link here: https://www.s-r-s.org.uk/home.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, melmoth said: George Pryer's (note the spelling) diagrams should be available from the Signalling Record Society in some shape or form. Link here: https://www.s-r-s.org.uk/home.php Thanks for spotting that Melmoth - I have corrected the post above - I should have gone to Specsavers! Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold lakeview770 Posted May 15, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 15, 2020 do they still use that tag line in their commercials? they used that when I lived in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold lakeview770 Posted May 15, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 15, 2020 and thanks for the link to the SRS as soon as they re open Ill be getting the Pryer books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NFWEM57 Posted July 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) On 15/05/2020 at 13:01, lakeview770 said: and thanks for the link to the SRS as soon as they re open Ill be getting the Pryer books Did you manage to get a track diagram? i am modelling NFW in EM and have track plans from 1960 and earlier ones are available. They are taken from ordnance survey 1:2500 maps and show both rails and the turnouts appear to be of the correct length. Edited July 14, 2021 by NFWEM57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted July 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2021 6 hours ago, NFWEM57 said: Did you manage to get a track diagram? i am modelling NFW in EM and have track plans from 1960 and earlier ones are available. They are taken from ordnance survey 1:2500 maps and show both rails and the turnouts appear to be of the correct length. Usual caveats about OS maps: 1) The date shown may not be the same as when they were last fully revised. 2) There tend to be inaccuracies, e.g. missing crossovers, on things that don't matter to the OS (i.e. the military). 3) OS sometimes deliberately leave out features relating to the military. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NFWEM57 Posted July 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said: Usual caveats about OS maps: 1) The date shown may not be the same as when they were last fully revised. 2) There tend to be inaccuracies, e.g. missing crossovers, on things that don't matter to the OS (i.e. the military). 3) OS sometimes deliberately leave out features relating to the military. But better than nothing and an improvement on the signal box diagrams which are representative of the configuration, not the physical layout. On (2) and (3), OS are required to leave out certain military features, 'deliberately leave out' is a bit disingenuous..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted July 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2021 They are also known to add spurious details, this is so that they can protect their copyright. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 hour ago, NFWEM57 said: But better than nothing and an improvement on the signal box diagrams which are representative of the configuration, not the physical layout. On (2) and (3), OS are required to leave out certain military features, 'deliberately leave out' is a bit disingenuous..! Not really on Item 2 - OS maps have a reputation for missing out crossovers, and more, although of course said crossovers etc might not have been there at the time the survey was carried. They very definitely did not keep up with layout changes particularly at lesser places and part of the reason for that was the way they revised mapping. Nowadays using satellite information may hopefully have improved that. And yes security related things were omitted in the past but whether they stiill do I'm not sure as many of them can readily be seen and examined on Google Maps. Depending on the OPs period of interest there are some helpful pictures in 'GWR Infrastructure 1922 - 1934 published by Noodle Books - that is of curse the earlier layout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NFWEM57 Posted July 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2021 6 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: Not really on Item 2 - OS maps have a reputation for missing out crossovers, and more, although of course said crossovers etc might not have been there at the time the survey was carried. They very definitely did not keep up with layout changes particularly at lesser places and part of the reason for that was the way they revised mapping. Nowadays using satellite information may hopefully have improved that. Nothing but a couple of main lines now..! Sputnik had no camera, just a radio transmitter..! And yes security related things were omitted in the past but whether they still do I'm not sure as many of them can readily be seen and examined on Google Maps. Depending on the OPs period of interest there are some helpful pictures in 'GWR Infrastructure 1922 - 1934 published by Noodle Books - that is of curse the earlier layout. Found quite a few images on line which seem to confirm the map layouts I found At the end of the day it is a representation of what was there and as long as it satisfies the modeller, no problem. Enjoyment or the endless and fruitless quest for the the holy grail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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