RMweb Premium keefer Posted August 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 21, 2020 July 1979 R.O. "Class 47 visitors to Canterbury have included" 31/03/79: 47501 on 06.50 Alfreton-Folkstone Central 07/04/79: 47134 on 06.30 ex-Weston-super-Mare at Canterbury West 07/04/79: 47174 on 06.50 Mexborough-Folkstone Central 21/04/79: 47257 on 05.25 Plymouth-Canterbury East 23/05/79: 47081 on 07.45 Banbury-Canterbury East August 1979 R.O. Philips Data Systems Exhibition Train at Ashford hauled by 47225(CF) from Slough (stock was S99621-4/31, DB975074, S99625, E81001) Due to European Cup Final (Notts. Forest v Malmo at Munich), 4 specials ran from Nottingham on 29/05/79 - two to Dover Western Docks and two to Folkstone Harbour. On return, 3 specials ran from Dover WD-Nottingham on 31/05/79 - Locos involved were 47323/343/347/366 (all TO) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted August 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 21, 2020 Sept. 1979 R.O. 04/07/79: 47111(CF) on school charter from Highbury & Islington-Tonbridge Route: Willesden Jn HL-Kensington Olympia-Brixton-Nunhead-Hither Green-Chislehurst-Swanley Return: via Orpington-Herne Hill then as outward. Stock was worked from Clapham Yard-Highbury & Islington via Kensington, Willesden & reversal at Dalston East ground-frame. Oct. 1979 R.O. 18/08/79 uid 47 piloted by 56040 at Dartford on Blue Circle (APCM) to Northfleet (first cl.56 workings into N. Kent) (August Bank Holiday Weekend) 26/08/79: 47102 on Ledbury-Ramsgate excursion 47315 on Burton-Margate 47369 on Oxford-Margate 47145 on Mystex Bargoed-Dover Priory via Ashford then ECS to Ramsgate. Then light to Dover Town Yard for freight to Bescot 47066 light from HG to Ramsgate via Dover, collected ECS then return excursion from Ramsgate-Rhymney 27/08/79: 47342 on excursion 1Z60 from Feniton-Margate. Stock was then propelled into a siding already containing a 12-car EMU [cont. in Nov. 1979 R.O.] 47342 had buffer mark on front end, broken vacuum pipe and broken headcode-box prespex sheet, one buffer removed. 47145(CF) worked replacement stock from Clapham Yard to form 18.20 Margate-Feniton return excursion Dec. 1979 R.O. From 01/09/79-10/10/79, 79 cl.47s were noted near Lewisham on inter-reg freight. Mentions Slough-Hoo Jn. oil train is normally a WR cl.47 duty (on 27/09 hauled by 50008, believed to be first visit of class) 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 (edited) Keefer - Fascinating info on 50008, 47342 ect in that last post. SED and Keefer´s information are now in the list. Keep the information coming as the above posts provided the list with two new locos The up to date South Eastern Division v3 list is here and at the top of the thread. Class47s_SouthEasternDivision_v3.docx Edited August 22, 2020 by SouthernBlue80s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 22 hours ago, keefer said: Looking in the 1979 R.O. for cl. 47 Stone trains on the SR. Jan 1979 R.O. mentions a new cl.47 service, 19.33 Westbury - Deal with stone for sea defence works. Booked weight 1062 tonnes (cl.47), 1095t (2x73), 1097t (2x33), 1138t (47+33). Problems occurred with a single 47, some trains stalling nr. Galston Tunnel between Dover & Martin Hill (needed assistance in rear). This led to attaching a 33 (or more rarely a 73) at Ashford for the 1in70 climb. On 25th November 1978, a solo 47091 took a diverted train via Canterbury West and Minster. On 28th & 30th Nov. 47243 was used. (any other mentions will follow) I think this has to be eastwestdivide's mystery train returning to the WR, possibly it only ran via Sole Street on Saturdays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Here are a few more for the list. 29/10/1976 47006 @ Tonbridge - LE towards Paddock Wood 07/04/1977 47203 @ Bat & Ball - On southbound excursion/charter (for Kent Coast?) 14/05/1982 47095 @ Bat & Ball - Working 1718 Bat & Ball to Mountsorrel 21/11/1985 47148 @ Lewisham - Working 1118 Dover Town to Mossend 04/02/1986 47311 @ Hither Green - Working 1110 Brookgate Sdgs to Ripple Lane (47 ex HG Yd) 24/05/1986 47631 @ Kensington Olympia - Working 1345 Dover WD to Liverpool Lime St 24/07/1986 47202 @ Hither Green - Working 1059 Dover Town to Mossend 15/11/1986 47624 @ Bat & Ball - LE with 33037 heading north 15/11/1986 47575 @ Bat & Ball - Working 1045 Dover WD to Liverpool Lime St 15/11/1986 47609 @ Bat & Ball - Working 0925 Liverpool Lime St to Dover WD 20/02/1988 47560 @ Dover WD - Arr on 0740 ex Manchester Piccadilly 20/02/1988 47321 @ Dover Town - Stabled 20/02/1988 47143 @ Dover Town - Stabled 05/03/1988 47298 @ Paddock Wood - Working 0846 Dover Town to Paddock Wood 05/03/1988 47646 @ Dover WD - Arr on 1030 ex Liverpool Lime St 05/03/1988 47280 @ Dover Town - Stabled 26/03/1988 47610 @ Folkestone Central - Working 0740 Manchester Piccadilly to Dover WD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted August 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 22, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, SED Freightman said: I think this has to be eastwestdivide's mystery train returning to the WR, possibly it only ran via Sole Street on Saturdays. I just realised, I missed a bit out. The service is the 19.33 Westbury-Deal (MWFO) - so as you say, possibly returning on a Saturday. Just checked the Western Region section of the same issue but there isn't any other info under 'Westbury' - only a reference to the locos noted on 'the 2 stone trains' (I take that to mean 2 more established, regular flows to somewhere else). Edited August 22, 2020 by keefer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 Thanks. Again another couple of gaps filled. ROOT DOCUMENT Class47s_East of Rochester_Ashford_v3.docx Class47s_SouthEasternDivision_v4.docx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 13 hours ago, keefer said: I just realised, I missed a bit out. The service is the 19.33 Westbury-Deal (MWFO) - so as you say, possibly returning on a Saturday. Just checked the Western Region section of the same issue but there isn't any other info under 'Westbury' - only a reference to the locos noted on 'the 2 stone trains' (I take that to mean 2 more established, regular flows to somewhere else). Just to add to this - it may be that all my sightings were on a Saturday because I was still at school then. Although in the school hols I was often hanging around the lineside weekdays! A bit of googling for Deal sea defences throws up an article on Wikipedia about a January 1978 storm surge in which... Quote Families were evacuated by boat from Deal, Kent So you could imagine repairs being needed, and work being carried out later that year and into the next. There's an archive film (not viewable online) at https://screenarchive.brighton.ac.uk/detail/863/ with a long description, indicating that the flooding was pretty serious. Dover council's site about sea defences says of Deal: Quote Following the storm of 1978 further works were undertaken and there are now 32 groynes, of which 27 are of recent construction, to protect the beach. The sea wall along much of this section was reconstructed during the early 1980's and a splash wall added to reduce overtopping BUT The Kent Rail page on Deal says (my bold) Quote Freight traffic made a brief comeback in 1979 as the former coal yard area was used to store piles of aggregate, this of which was to be used for the Thames Barrier at Greenwich. After the completion of the barrier, the remaining sidings were lifted and the centre through line between the platforms removed, it having been classified on paper as a siding by the Southern Railway To me, that doesn't sound likely. There would be far more convenient spots to store aggregate, even if it was being brought to Greenwich by ship. I imagine the report here was based on local hearsay. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 6 hours ago, eastwestdivide said: BUT The Kent Rail page on Deal says (my bold) To me, that doesn't sound likely. There would be far more convenient spots to store aggregate, even if it was being brought to Greenwich by ship. I imagine the report here was based on local hearsay. I am sure the Kent Rail item is an error, all railbourne stone for the Thames Barrier was handled at Angerstein Wharf, local sea or flood defence work sounds much more likely for short term flow of stone from the Mendips. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Here are a few more for the list. 14/06/1986 47575 @ Dover Western Dks - Working 1745 to Manchester Piccadilly 21/06/1986 47621 @ Bromley South - Working 1745 Dover WD to Manchester Piccadilly 21/07/1986 47449 @ Polhill - Working 1745 Dover WD to Manchester Piccadilly 08/10/1986 47620 @ Dover Western Dks - Working 1345 to Liverpool Lime St 30/05/1987 47566 @ Bat & Ball - Working 0904 Canterbury East to Liverpool Lime St 14/10/1989 47388 @ Sheerness Steelworks - Working 1155 to Ridham Dock 09/02/1990 47146 @ Plumstead Freight Depot - Arr on 1535 ex Leith South 10/03/1990 47229 @ Folkestone Ctl - Working 1650 Ashford CS to Dover WD ECS 28/05/1990 47231 @ Folkestone West - L/E Chart Leacon to Dover Town 28/05/1990 47973 @ Folkestone West - Working 1210 Folkestone Ctl to Ashford ECS 28/05/1990 47803 @ Folkestone Warren - Working 0759 Liverpool Lime St to Folkestone Ctl 28/05/1990 47528 @ Folkestone Hbr - Working 1600 to Victoria 28/05/1990 47210 + 47245 @ Folkestone Ctl - L/E Chart Leacon to Dover Town 23/06/1990 47846 @ Petts Wood - Working 1242 Dover Priory to Liverpool Lime St 26/06/1990 47226 @ Swanley - Working 0855 Willesden Brent to Dover Town 26/06/1990 47102 @ Queenborough - Working 1518 Sheerness Steelworks to Mossend 31/07/1990 47220 @ Wandsworth Rd - Working 1018 Dover Town to Willesden Brent 31/07/1990 47580 @ Wandsworth Rd - Working 1227 Tonbridge to Bletchley 31/07/1990 47337 @ Wandsworth Rd - Working 1319 Willesden Brent to Dover Town 08/11/1990 47303 @ Sidcup - Working 1138 Ridham Dock to Gloucester New Yd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 Thanks. Now in the list. Class47s_SouthEasternDivision_v5.docx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Here are a few more for the list. 14/04/1991 47491 + 47524 @ Tonbridge West Yd - Stabled 14/04/1991 47477 @ Tonbridge - Working 1635 Tonbridge W Yd to Ashford PAD 27/05/1991 47704 @ Tonbridge West Yd - Stabled 11/01/1992 47975 @ Gillingham - Working 1101 Folkestone West to Hoo Jn 11/01/1992 47146 @ Gillingham - Working 1112 Hoo Jn to Chatham Dockyard 08/02/1992 47105 @ Gillingham - Working 1105 Folkestone West to Hoo Jn 04/04/1992 47205 @ St Mary Cray Jn - Working 0906 Willesden FLT to Thamesport FLT 06/06/1992 47114 @ Folkestone West - Working 1340 Ashford to Grain 15/03/1993 47819 @ Thamesport FLT - Arr on 1014 ex Victoria charter 15/03/1993 47307 @ Thamesport FLT - Working 1225 to Crewe Basford Hall 27/03/1993 47350 @ Headcorn - Working 1015 Hoo Jn to Dollands Moor 27/03/1993 47371 @ Headcorn - L/E 15/05/1993 47820 @ Ashford - Working 0855 Paddington to St Pancras charter 10/06/1993 47157 @ Paddock Wood - Shunting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 Thanks. I am away for a few days so I will update when I am back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted September 2, 2020 Author Share Posted September 2, 2020 Version 6 here with SED´s information added Class47s_SouthEasternDivision_v6.docx I will update the other two documents. Once I/we feel it is as complete as we can get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted September 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2020 Had time to go through the 1982 R.O. (excursions) 21/11/81 47119(CF) at Kearsney with Football Special from Oxford (for Dover v Oxford Utd. match) 25/04/82 47555(CD) on 1Z24 Matlock-Margate Mystex 01/05/82 47553(LE) on 1Z36 Swindon-Canterbury East 02/05/82 47166(CF) on 1Z36 Weston-super-Mare -Margate " " " 47105(CF) on 1Z25 Wolverhampton-St. Leonards W.S.(as far as Ashford) 03/05/82 47105 on 1Z26 Walsall-Margate " " " 47171(CF) on 1Z39 Swansea-Margate 06/05/82 47194(CD) on Dover W. Docks-Sheffield return pilgrimage 07/05/82 47066(OC) on Banbury-Folkstone Harbour 08/05/82 47553(LE) on Ledbury-Dover Priory " " " 47507(LE) on 1Z08 Oxford-Gillingham football charter 12/05/82 47029(LA) on 1Z24 Thatcham-Folkstone Harbour 14/05/82 47200(BS) on 1Z68 Bicester-Folkstone Harbour " " " 47262(CD) on 1Z69 Bedford-Folkstone Harbour 08/06/82 47124(CF) on 1Z24 Oxford-Folkstone Harbour 10/06/82 47185(CF) on 1Z24 Oxford-Folkstone Harbour 11/06/82 47545(BS) on Cheltenham Spa-Dover Priory 13/06/82 47121(CF) on 1Z25 Taunton-Folkstone Harbour 14/08/82 47581 at Ashford (Chart Leacon) Open Day 09/10/82 47532(CD) on Weston-super-Mare -Canterbury East, excursion " " " 47063(OC) on Bristol Temple Meads-Canterbury East, excursion [Both of the above ran via Maidstone E., Ashford and Dover Priory. The former returned same route but latter train returned via Faversham] 09/10/82 47059(OC) on Ledbury-Folkestone Harbour, excursion 17/09/82 47212 to Northfleet to rescue failed 56058 (on coal empties) Nov.1982 R.O. mentions the cl.47 (M-F) Amey Roadstone Trains have gone over to cl.33 haulage (from September). These return empty via Dartford and Sidcup Loop 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Just a few more - which year do you want to go up to ? 07/05/1994 47779 @ Dover Town - Working 1255 Folkestone Ctl to Ashford ECS 23/05/1994 47053 @ Dollands Moor - Stabled 23/07/1994 47234 @ Otford Jn - Working 1237 Wembley to Dollands Moor 28/01/1995 47299 @ Otford Jn - Working 0937 Wembley to Dollands Moor 18/03/1995 47351 @ Paddock Wood - Working 0950 Wembley to Dollands Moor 18/03/1995 47766 @ Dovr Priory - Working 1510 Canterbury West to Stewarts Lane ECS 02/04/1995 47234 @ Otford Jn - Working 1005 Dollands Moor to Wembley 02/04/1995 47351 @ Otford Jn - Working 1114 Dollands Moor to Wembley 02/04/1995 47299 @ Otford Jn - Working 0937 Wembley to Dollands Moor 09/04/1995 47280 @ Otford Jn - Working 1404 Dollands Moor to Wembley 30/04/1995 47813 @ Otford Jn - Working 1114 Dollands Moor to Wembley 20/05/1995 47323 @ Ashford - Working 0325 Immingham to Dollands Moor 26/08/1995 47841 @ Faversham - Working 1348 Ramsgate to Birmingham New St 10/01/1996 47033 + 47287 @ Corby Euro Hub - Working 0525 Dollands Moor to Corby 15/01/1996 47285 @ Brookgate Sdg - Working 1026 Paddock Wood to Wembley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted September 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2020 The only other complete R.Os. I have are 1969 and 1976, are these too early for what you're after? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 Firstly thanks for your efforts Keefer and SED. I started with the idea of recording all 47s Ashford and Medway and east of. So the depths of the SE division. And then from that extrapolating what surfaced in the 80s as a separate list. I will still do that when the project is finished as that is eastwestdivide's and my time period. However the Root document rapidly turned into all class 47s that visited the SE division. So the answer to the question is give me every bit of info you have for any year. I am only currently updating the Root document. And some way down the line, I will extrapolate the two more specific documents I mentioned earlier. I think it will be useful for anyone modeling BR in Kent and interesting to us South East Division nerds. Again I am away for a while. But keep posting info up and when I get back I will do a big update. Cheers Steve 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingstoke Junction Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 From my haulage records 30/8/97 47976 worked 08:56 Birmingham Ramsgate 12/8/95 47805 worked 08:56 Birmingham Ramsgate 23/8/97 47971 worked 08:56 Birmingham Ramsgate March 1974 47078 worked excursion from Bristol Division (assume WSM start) to Canterbury West. On the return, it failed at Hither Green with low coolant. After a visit to HG, it staggered on to Old Oak East Junction where it was replaced by 47186 17/4/87 worked 07:26 Reading to Dover Western Docks August 1973 1596 (later 47470) worked excursion from Bristol Division (assume WSM start) to Deal or Ramsgate & return August 1973 1711 (later 47122) worked Mystex from Bristol Division (assume WSM start) to Ramsgate & return August 1976 47142 worked Mystex from Bristol Division (assume WSM start) to Ramsgate & return June 1977 47166 worked Adex from Bristol Division (assume WSM start) to Ramsgate & return August 1974 47091 worked Mystex from Bristol Division (assume WSM start) to Ramsgate & return Hope this helps - and it will be interesting to see just how many of the 512 made it to Kent Regards KSJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 Thanks KSJ. Unsurprisingly, We don't seem to have any evidence of 47401-20. At least two generators made it onto the South Western Division. No record of 47901 at Allington so far. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 3 hours ago, SouthernBlue80s said: No record of 47901 at Allington so far. Could it be that only WR drivers were trained on 47901 and therefore it would not have worked beyond Acton ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted September 7, 2020 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 9 hours ago, SED Freightman said: Could it be that only WR drivers were trained on 47901 and therefore it would not have worked beyond Acton ? Could well be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingstoke Junction Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 While 47901 may not have made it onto the SED, perhaps it did in earlier days when numbered 47046 or even (D)1628. And also wondering whether every 47 that's still mainline registered has visited the SED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted September 9, 2020 Author Share Posted September 9, 2020 Hi Guys. Going to be about a week before I do next big update which will be version 7 of the document. So give me a few days Cheers Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SED Freightman Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Just a couple more for now. 24/01/1996 47156 @ Doncaster Railport - Arrived on 0937 ex Dollands Moor (It's possible that this service might have reversed at Wembley, in which case the loco may not have worked throughout.) 11/06/1998 47304 + 47355 @ Kettering - Working 0330 Dollands Moor to Corby Gefco 18/06/2002 47759 @ Dover Priory - On rear of 1940 Dover Priory to Willesden Railnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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