Help Identification Please.

[HitchinLoco]

Wonder if anybody can place the area and or the Police Force of this 80s car, the badge I just cannot make out!! It was attending a accident of a Skip lorry and trailer that went down into a ditch, but can't remember where! The second is in Cambridge. have more of these vehicles if needed?

Thanks for your help, Gordon

['CHARD]

NNH would have been registered in Northampton, whether or not that's any use...

[Guest Max Stafford]

The lower vehicle displays the kind of rather dodgy livery and marking configuration beloved by BTP in earlier times. There was certainly a Mk2 Cavalier in this livery at Carlisle in the 80s. Dark blue with chequerbands on the doors was phased out by the early 1990s. The very last vehicle I saw in that livery was an Essex Orion at Rayleigh in spring 1995. Wonder if that's Taff Evans in the passenger seat! Cambridge was part of the old King's Cross division back then and with the London reg, it's highly possible this is a BTP vehicle. It's certainly the sort of cheap, job lot type car the job used to buy en masse in those days!

 

Dave.

[kevblokey]

I agree the Talbot Solara is BTP, livery, the blue shirts and even the Roof lighting rig is typical of their vehicles at this time.

[br2975]

Sorry,

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Can't help you - South Wales Police had a policy to keep me as far away from their vehicles as possible - except in case of a national emergency ! - so my knowledge of police vehicles is limited . . . .

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I can't criticise, as our fleet over the years wasn't much better.

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My first 'panda' was an 850cc Mini (SKG966S and SKG969S for those wondering), followed by Mk.2 and Mk.3 Escorts and a one off Talbot Horizon, and worst of all a Vauxhall Shedvette !

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Our CID were at one time issued with the Morris Ital - great until you wanted to turn a corner, and the @rse end went - so every car acquired at least one paving slab in the boot to keep the back down. I still have the photos somewhere of one I walked away from after a stolen Cavalier rear-ended us in a high-speed pursuit through Cardiff in the late 80s.

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Better stop there .......

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Brian R

[Guest Max Stafford]

Ah, just as I was pulling up the sandbag too...!

 

Dave.

[HitchinLoco]

many thanks for looking, I thought it may be in the New Forest area but not sure.

I show these I know where they are....

 

Gordon

[Merfyn Jones]

many thanks for looking, I thought it may be in the New Forest area but not sure.

I show these I know where they are....

 

Gordon

 

Hi Gordon

Thanks for posting those BTP vehicles, the old ones like the Talbot Solara and Transit are always of interest to me as part of the old railway.

One of mine, the most unusual BTP vehicle I ever saw, at Manchester Piccadilly.

Merfyn.

[Guest Max Stafford]

Mobile command post. Used as a local control point at major incidents and the like. Other variants provide basic rest and canteen facilities for the troops.

 

Dave.

[RANGERS]

Wonder if anybody can place the area and or the Police Force of this 80s car, the badge I just cannot make out!! It was attending a accident of a Skip lorry and trailer that went down into a ditch, but can't remember where! The second is in Cambridge. have more of these vehicles if needed?

Thanks for your help, Gordon

 

The Granada corresponds with a Northants Police car which they used for patrol cars up to V plates but by the time this one was registered in 1982 - 3, the standard for patrol cars would have been the mark V Cortina GLS.

 

Most of them were supplied by the Ford dealer Soames of Leamington Spa although serviced locally by Wards (Corby, Kettering and Wellingborough) and Airflow (Northampton)

[br2975]

Other variants provide basic rest and canteen facilities for the troops.

 

 

Obviously the B.T.P. were more compassionate in the welfare of it's officers than some forces I could name !

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Plastic bag containing unwrapped chicken drumstick, an apple, packet of plain crisps and an out of date Lyons fruit pie - South Wales fare for early 80s - In all fairness, they overcame that, and now don't feed you at all, unless they can't get out of it - Jamie Oliver, eat your heart out.

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Brian R

[Guest Max Stafford]

Funnily enough, they only seem to appear when the COU or a search team turn up from HQ for a job. If it's a locally resourced all night job then it's 'f*** *ff, bring your own'...!

 

Dave.

[HitchinLoco]

Ranger, Thanks for that info. Juat annoying that the badge is not clear enough to read, Have tried photoshop and other programs to enhance it to no avail. Northhants is a possability, But contacted the force there and had no luck either. So I keep trying if only my memory was better.

 

Grateful for your effort Guys,

Gordon

['CHARD]

Hi Gordon

Thanks for posting those BTP vehicles, the old ones like the Talbot Solara and Transit are always of interest to me as part of the old railway.

One of mine, the most unusual BTP vehicle I ever saw, at Manchester Piccadilly.

Merfyn.

 

I may knock one of the many Matchbox Dodgy Commander chassis in my possession into that! I know they have their shortcomings but they're easy to work, it won't fit my era either, so if it fails miserably it can sit in disgrace on top of the cds!

 

Belated thanks to Charlie Petty for foisting a box of Commanders on me a few years ago, and to the much-missed Victor's in Pentonville Road where I got all those Herpa truck wheels (as I walked back to Euston from Angel Trains' original offices!).

[kevblokey]

Hi Gordon

Thanks for posting those BTP vehicles, the old ones like the Talbot Solara and Transit are always of interest to me as part of the old railway.

One of mine, the most unusual BTP vehicle I ever saw, at Manchester Piccadilly.

Merfyn.

Merv,

 

This looks like a standard Personnel Carrier of the time, was it acquired from BR stock or just a customised add on?

[Merfyn Jones]

Merv,

 

This looks like a standard Personnel Carrier of the time, was it acquired from BR stock or just a customised add on?

 

Very standard, just like the yellow one I drove, but I didn't have any blue lights.

Registration is London in a series with other BTP vehicles, so obviously new to them, from one of the bodybuilders that were building for BR.

The only one I ever saw.

Merfyn.

[Invicta]

The lower vehicle displays the kind of rather dodgy livery and marking configuration beloved by BTP in earlier times. There was certainly a Mk2 Cavalier in this livery at Carlisle in the 80s. Dark blue with chequerbands on the doors was phased out by the early 1990s. The very last vehicle I saw in that livery was an Essex Orion at Rayleigh in spring 1995. Wonder if that's Taff Evans in the passenger seat! Cambridge was part of the old King's Cross division back then and with the London reg, it's highly possible this is a BTP vehicle. It's certainly the sort of cheap, job lot type car the job used to buy en masse in those days!

 

Dave.

 

Could well be a standard Talbot factory colour on that Solara- my dad had one in the mid-80's in what I'm sure was exactly that shade of blue

[HitchinLoco]

Just found the other view to where the Ford Police car was attending the accident, just may help some one reconize the area

 

Thanks again, Gordon.

[br2975]

Just found the other view to where the Ford Police car was attending the accident.

 

 

Looking at the photos, it appears (never commit yourself son !) that the driver of a skip lorry towing a trailer (Vehicle 1) approached a right hand bend at too high a speed, lost control and ended up in a ditch. No other vehicle appears to have been involved, although we cannot rule out the possibility that a black dog ran into the path of Vehicle 1 causing the driver, who was alone in the vehicle, to take evasive action.

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Section 25, Road Traffic Act 1972 states:-

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" If, owing to the presence of a motor vehicle on a road, an accident occurs whereby personal injury is caused to a person other than the driver of that motor vehicle or damage is caused to a vehicle other than that motor vehicle

or a trailer drawn thereby or to an animal other than an animal in or on that motor vehicle or a trailer drawn thereby, the driver of the motor vehicle shall stop and, if required so to do by any person having reasonable grounds for so requiring, give his name and address, and also the name and address of the owner and the identification marks of the vehicle.

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Therefore Sarge I didn't feel it was a recordable accident, and I just gave the driver an HO/RT/1 to produce his documents and resumed my patrol.

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"Well done son"

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Brian R

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(Haven't lost it, after all these years !)

[HitchinLoco]

Thats fantastic Brain... But where is the place, I just can not remember.? lol...

 

Thanks, Gordon

[DJH584]

.......although we cannot rule out the possibility that a black dog ran into the path of Vehicle 1 causing the driver, who was alone in the vehicle, to take evasive action.......

 

 

Wouldn't that be the proverbial "county black dog" that has been responsible for many a police vehicle "accident" - just like the one that is currently on a collar and lead in the above photo?

 

Yes, I'm a retired policeman as well. Unfortunately I can't shed any light on the police vehicle either aprt from the fact that it is a 2.8 Granada.

 

Regards

 

David

[HitchinLoco]

Thank you David, never thought it would be so hard to get identified! Have tried on a police site as well with no luck.

EVO.. Emergancy Vehicles Online.. in case you have not seen it.

Regards Gordon

[kevblokey]

Very standard, just like the yellow one I drove, but I didn't have any blue lights.

Registration is London in a series with other BTP vehicles, so obviously new to them, from one of the bodybuilders that were building for BR.

The only one I ever saw.

Merfyn.

 

Had you had done, you could have got back to base quicker