Mike 84C Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 That little brass cock is not a trip cock or a water valve its to admit air to the top side of the vaccum cylinder so releasing the tender the tender brake. Yes sandbox lids but not all tenders had sandboxes. If they did I cannot for the life of me remember where the handle to work the tender sanders was. We often kept the bucket in that area between the tender side and the handbrake standard, with a few inch's of water in it and the handbrush was then damp for sweeping the footplate. Nearest brush I have found was a small brush sold as a "dairy brush". Water for washing the footplate come from the "pep" pipe which is that rubber hose often seen dangling over the side on Western engines. It worked off the RH live steam injector with the control valve in the area of the firemans seat, boy could it shoot out a lot of b---- hot water! All this engine prep I'm getting a sweat on, time for tea. And do not forget to stow the fireirons properly with the loop end of the iron over the upright. Not sitting in the bottom of the uprights vee. Why? think about stopping very suddenly or being hit hard by moving wagons in a yard. 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 Thanks, I do like to hear first hand knowledge from people who have done the job, whatever the job was. The fire iron position is the sort of common sense born of near misses, they'd make wonderful javelins even at 20mph. Something we had to be aware of loading kit onto lorries. That's how I learned things like starting a car or a donkey engine on the handle, keep your thumb over the top with your fingers, so if it kicks back, you don't get a dislocated thumb. Keep your left hand atop the radiator so you can push yourself backwards in a hurry. That avoids a broken shin from the flailing handle too! I might just have to find a bucket for the tender now! 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted August 25, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 25, 2022 Do you have a good source for 4mm scale buckets Rob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 Actually, I don't, they're generally leftovers from detailing kits for other things. There's got to be someone making such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadLeaves Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Dart Castings do https://www.dartcastings.co.uk/dart/L115.php and https://www.dartcastings.co.uk/dart/L117.php for three and six buckets respectively. I have one of each and as far as I can see, the actual buckets are the same in both. You're also buying a stand as well, of course, so if you just want the buckets, it's less than ideal. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted August 26, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 26, 2022 11 hours ago, MrWolf said: Actually, I don't, they're generally leftovers from detailing kits for other things. There's got to be someone making such things. Bachmann 44-524 Fire Buckets packs of 10 are good. Just need to scrape out the "sand" a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Limpley Stoker Posted August 26, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 26, 2022 Or 3D printed buckets from https://westhillwagonworks.co.uk/workshop-depot-c-24/pack-of-6-buckets-p-230 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted August 26, 2022 Author Share Posted August 26, 2022 Lots of interesting details to be seen in the photo of the 43xx tender posted earlier by @John Besley, I will be adding as much as my fingers and sanity will allow. The Bachmann tender with the broken parts removed and a lost wax standard from the junk box fitted. The sand box filler is present, but not the brackets for the plank or hasps on the tool boxes. A photo of a very rough Airfix Dean Goods tender, which despite its age has the injector levers and the toolbox locks represented. 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrWolf Posted August 28, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) I've not had much time for modelling this week, as I have been busy with another painting, but I have managed to get a little done at the tender. A brake standard, toolbox lids, hasps, water gauge face and the plank complete with brackets. I've still got the injector levers to make. A coat of paint will hopefully tie it all together. Edited August 28, 2022 by MrWolf 11 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted August 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) That's very tidily done Mr W, and makes me think that I should revisit mine! Are you going to add coal? Edited August 28, 2022 by Graham T 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 Thanks, I'm definitely going to add coal once it's painted, it looks like a barrow load of grapes at the moment. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 Injector levers have been made out of odd bits of plastic and wire, I drilled out for the handle to give it a chance of staying put. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrWolf Posted August 28, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2022 Fitted and a quick blast of primer. 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 The best part about that picture is that I can see where there's odd bits of who knows what stuck in the printer. They'll be removed shortly! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold longchap Posted August 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2022 Well that looks the job Rob, even the popcorn! Primer has covered well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 We have gone green. Well, coal is plant based... 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 84C Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Looking good Mr Wolf, Dont forget the two uprights for the storm sheet springs to atatch to. When you make the fireirons the pricker has a triangular handle, the chisel bar and clinker shovel had circular handles. I believe it was so the fireman knew what he was picking up at night or in dark engine sheds. 3 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 Thanks, I'm trying to fit as much detail as I can and that's some very useful information. It would make sense to identify the fire irons from the handle end anyway as they will be heaped together and on some locos (IIRC?) they are stored in a tunnel forward of the cab. Can anyone recommend a decent set of fire irons? Am I right in thinking that the storm sheet supports are fitted in the front corners of the coal space between the back of the toolboxes and the tank vents? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) Thinking about it, if I knew the length of the fire irons and the dimensions of the heads I can make my own. I've found that 247 Developments do etched brass number plates for 2291. Edited August 28, 2022 by MrWolf Forgot a bit! 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Limpley Stoker Posted August 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 29, 2022 (edited) Kernow model rail centre sell a fire iron etch very fine and blackened : bottom of page. https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.fcom/c/1101/Steam-Locomotives but all the handles are round but perhaps could be shaped. Edited August 29, 2022 by Limpley Stoker 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted August 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 29, 2022 Useful to be able to get them pre-blackened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted August 29, 2022 Author Share Posted August 29, 2022 Those look rather good and I even managed not to be distracted by the steam railmotor! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted August 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 29, 2022 Shirescenes do a set (threre's also a bulk pack): https://www.dartcastings.co.uk/shire/S48.php 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadLeaves Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Limpley Stoker said: a fire iron etch very fine and blackened Is that a blackened metal etch? It looks exactly the same as the set that come with the KMRC 1361 class (ex DJM) locos, and those are just black plastic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Limpley Stoker Posted August 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 29, 2022 (edited) Yes, it was packaged with the Beattie well tank, O2 and the 1361 , I haven’t used mine from the 1361 and assumed they were etched. Edited August 29, 2022 by Limpley Stoker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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