St. Simon Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Hi, I’m having trouble in finding a solution to modelling track that has been buried in stone, dust sand etc that is found around an aggregate terminal as well as the surrounding ground to blend it all in. I’ve tried the Chris Nevard method of DAS Modelling Clay, but I simply can’t get anywhere near the same results, so I’m looking for an alternative.’ What suggestions do people have? Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2020 I use the crude but effective method of sinking the track into the clay, plaster, or whatever medium you are modelling the ground surface in, and, before it dries but while it is stiff enough not to 'slump' back into it's original position, run an old wagon with coarse scale wheels through it a few times to create a flangeway for stock to run in. Old Triang, Hornby Dublo, and similar wheelsets will cut a flangeway deep enough for modern stock to run properly in and allow sufficient width for locos to pick up current from the railheads. The last part of the operation, after painting the ground surface, is to polish off the tops of the railheads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 Hi, Thanks, but I forgot to mention that the track is already laid, painted and wired up. So I’m looking for a solution more akin to Ballast or Sand. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2020 I’d suggest to re-try Chris’s technique, it is very effective, but does need a little practice to perfect. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2020 5 hours ago, PMP said: I’d suggest to re-try Chris’s technique, it is very effective, but does need a little practice to perfect. and quite often the initial result looks better than you think when its painted, weathered and a bit of vegetation added... Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2020 https://ferreteria.es/tapagrietas-pasta-ligera-liteplast-750-ml.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwf39BRCCARIsALXWETwG81QgfHPxjCP4NhLnw5rncMXwYYm77iFKZP6zeG6eTGuPRnzyQTMaAkZqEALw_wcB Apologies for the local page, but I can't get on with DAS either, so I use this which I find easier to lay and more workable when dry. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Apologies for the local page, but I can't get on with DAS either, so I use this which I find easier to lay and more workable when dry. Mike. With the DAS method you work it whilst it’s wet. The only time I’ve needed to work it when dry was using it as concrete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2020 Just now, PMP said: With the DAS method you work it whilst it’s wet. The only time I’ve needed to work it when dry was using it as concrete That's why I prefer my method Paul, takes away the pressure of time element, but, as always, each to their own, it obviously works very well in yours and Chris's hands! I was also aware of the need to keep the weight down on Span Yard for airline baggage purposes when the layout came over to the UK for exhibitions (oh how we laughed), so was also looking at it from a slightly different angle. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2020 Thanks Mike, you can increase the time element by either adding water, or shortening it with additional heat such as a hairdryer. The weight I’ve not found a significant issue, as it dries it loses quite a bit of its mass. Once dry, like any similar medium it is susceptible to cracking if flexed significantly. You do need to let it dry properly which can be a couple of days depending on relative humidity, and temperature. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Wellyboots Posted November 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) Chris Nevard has a short video on Instagram showing his technique; https://www.instagram.com/p/CFwj-YAHn0g/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet and a write up on his blog; http://nevardmedia.blogspot.com/2011/08/creating-effect-of-ash-ballast.html Edited November 28, 2020 by Wellyboots 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 28/11/2020 at 14:11, Wellyboots said: Chris Nevard has a short video on Instagram showing his technique; https://www.instagram.com/p/CFwj-YAHn0g/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet and a write up on his blog; http://nevardmedia.blogspot.com/2011/08/creating-effect-of-ash-ballast.html Hi, Thanks , when I contacted Chris initially he only sent a flow chart picture through, so the blog post detail is a great help, gave me a couple of details I was missing on my test piece! I also found that the end of the slab clay I was using had dried a bit, where as stuff in the middle was nice and squishy and mouldable. So, I’ve taken the plunge and tried the method on the layout for real, I’ll try painting it tomorrow! Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ianLMS Posted December 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) I used clay, mushed in some pva to give it flexibility and applied using a brush. Cleared the inside of the rails with a screwdriver. Then painted it and covered it with dustings of weathering powders. More pics can be found on my layout Jencaster. Not stone as such but texture can be added as necessary using sand, ballast etc. Edited December 2, 2020 by ianLMS 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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