Cattle wagon identification

[jwealleans]

I believe this is a DS631, SECR cattle wagon with patent brake?   Can anyone confirm and possibly let me have a sight of the instructions?   I'm looking to check it's complete - there are vac upstands at each end but no cylinder, so it may be piped, for example - and also numbering information for the post-grouping period.   I have very little Southern literature outside the LSWR, so any pointers to published photographs are welcome but may be difficult for me to get hold of.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

[Compound2632]

I'm looking at G. Bixley et al., Southern Wagons Vol. 3: SECR (OPC, 2000) pp 95-96 and figure 45. This shows vehicles to SR Diagram 1513, fitted with Hills either-side brake gear. These were built 1904 (17), 1906 (6), and 1907 (13), though apart from the brake gear they were identical to a SER design of 1895/6 (22) that had single-shoe brake, 20 more being built in 1902. There was also a special cattle van version, SR Diagram 1050, with louvres filling in the top of the sides, 6 built in 1907, also with Hills brake. (It's unclear if that should be Hill's or Hills'.) There is no good photograph but the brake linkage on each side of the model corresponds well to the drawing, fig. 45. There are brake shoes on one side only. The special cattle van version is noted as being dual piped, so my inference is that the ordinary cattle wagons were piped for AVB only. Screw couplings are shown, along with Mansell 3'6" wheels.

 

The D1513 wagons with Hills brake became SR 52578-52588, 52532, 52589-52611, withdrawals having started before 1923. The last survivor of D1513 was withdrawn in 1940 but was not one with Hills brake.

 

Looking at my 2005 D&S list, DS631 is the one; I note there was also DS630 for the conventionally-braked version. Looking at that list, how bitterly I regret my parsimony at shows in the late 90s/early 00s in not stocking up on more whitemetal kits!

Edited May 22, 2021 by Compound2632
The special cattle van was filled with louvres, not lovers.

[wainwright1]

Hi Jonathan.

 

These pictures may be of assistance. I built two of the D & S kits, one as per the kit and the other backdated to an earlier state. I think that the prototypes were built in batches with changes being applied to each batch.

 

The earlier version.

The earlier one is on the right showing the end stanchion backdated to timber.

 

 

 

My three finished cattle wagons in historical order. The third one is a Maunsell Lynes wagon, also a D & S kit.

All the best

Ray

 

Edited May 22, 2021 by wainwright1

[Compound2632]

@wainwright1, that's a very nice set of cattle wagons. I like the tension lock at one end dodge; otherwise screw couplings which from Southern Wagons Vol. 3 appear to have been de rigueur. Did the D1513 wagons retain their Mansell wheels into SR days? I note that Jonathan's wagon has spoked wheels.

Edited May 22, 2021 by Compound2632

[jwealleans]

26 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

I note that Jonathan's wagon has spoked wheels.

 

Only 14mm wheels I could find when I realised that that was what it needed!

[wainwright1]

6 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

@wainwright1, that's a very nice set of cattle wagons. Did the D1513 wagons retain their Mansell wheels into SR days? I note that Jonathan's wagon has spoked wheels.

I worked from the pictures and drawings in the wagon book, so am not sure if that period is covered in detail there.

14mm standard Mansell coach wheels would be appropriate for the earlier period.

Ray