Western Star Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Maybe "modern" is not an appropriate adjective for rolling stock from the 1980s... what I am referring to are the VDx and VGA/VKA vans of the late 1970s and 1980s. Have any of these designs become part of the heritage scene and, if so, where? thank you, Graham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted April 15, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2022 Try here? http://www.ws.rhrp.org.uk/ws/wsearch.asp It has a dropdown for TOPS codes. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdseyecircus Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 There was a small feature in one of the mags (Railways Illustrated or Rail Express) last year with some one restoring 2 or three OBA/VDA type vans. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37038 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 "Project Railfreight" is managed by a friend of mine - he has a few vans and other vehicles. https://nationalwagonpresg.wixsite.com/home/latest-news 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 There is a British Railways VDA "Ferry Van" 200780 Built: 1976 (Ashford) at the Epping Ongar railway. See page at: https://www.eorailway.co.uk/the-railway/rolling-stock/wagon-vans/ 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 29 minutes ago, H2O said: There is a British Railways VDA "Ferry Van" 200780 Built: 1976 (Ashford) at the Epping Ongar railway. See page at: https://www.eorailway.co.uk/the-railway/rolling-stock/wagon-vans/ Why do they call it a Ferry van? Misleading and false. Paul 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ryde-on-time Posted April 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 24, 2022 A couple of shots of vans on the Severn Valley Railway at Kidderminster. Used for storage ? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 On 21/04/2022 at 00:09, hmrspaul said: Why do they call it a Ferry van? Misleading and false. Paul True, for that batch. But of the initial batch (in 1969) about one third were designated for "international" traffic, with dual brakes and 26ft wheelbases (the rest were for Ford to the later standard design). I don't think any of them were ever sent across the Channel? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 18 hours ago, Mike Storey said: True, for that batch. But of the initial batch (in 1969) about one third were designated for "international" traffic, with dual brakes and 26ft wheelbases (the rest were for Ford to the later standard design). I don't think any of them were ever sent across the Channel? Mike that is a very strange response. This is a VDA and the first of these (apart from the prototype based on 200165) were not introduced until 1965 and I'm not aware of any of the BR air brake vans after 1969 being dual braked - they only had vacuum piping - and the wheelbase was 20ft 9 in. Are you meaning the "Ford Palvan" diag 1/235 although they also had 20ft 9 in wheelbase. Paul 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 2 hours ago, hmrspaul said: Mike that is a very strange response. This is a VDA and the first of these (apart from the prototype based on 200165) were not introduced until 1965 and I'm not aware of any of the BR air brake vans after 1969 being dual braked - they only had vacuum piping - and the wheelbase was 20ft 9 in. Are you meaning the "Ford Palvan" diag 1/235 although they also had 20ft 9 in wheelbase. Paul I got it from this, which I have found to be quite reliable as a source previously. See second section "History", third sentence. Maybe they were designed but never built? It is not clear. https://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_027.php 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mike Storey said: I got it from this, which I have found to be quite reliable as a source previously. See second section "History", third sentence. Maybe they were designed but never built? It is not clear. https://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_027.php The site is correct and quite straightforward The first were for international traffic, rated initially at 20tons and featuring dual-braked underframes with a 26ft 3in wheelbase. The second were 22ton pallet vans built to carry car parts for Ford, with large sliding doors, 20ft 9in wheelbase underframes and (on the later batches) air brakes. The configuration of the Ford vans was developed for more general use and, combined with developments in chassis technology, resulted in a new design known initially as the COV AB. It goes on to give some details of the initial batches of these. He is quite clear. Initially he talks of the 1962 Ferry van https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryvan - as to be modelled by Revolution- and then the 1963 Ford Pallet vans https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfordpalvan the first of which were VB and the second AB. These are on the 20ft 3in wheelbase which became a standard for a while, having been used on some prototypes earlier. BUT he then is clear it is followed by the batches of 1969 COV AB to become VAB and VBA (and VCA). What I am referring to is the conservationists totally mistaken linking of the 1975 VDA to ferry vans, some 13 years younger than the ferry vans. Paul Edited April 25, 2022 by hmrspaul 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 6 hours ago, hmrspaul said: The site is correct and quite straightforward The first were for international traffic, rated initially at 20tons and featuring dual-braked underframes with a 26ft 3in wheelbase. The second were 22ton pallet vans built to carry car parts for Ford, with large sliding doors, 20ft 9in wheelbase underframes and (on the later batches) air brakes. The configuration of the Ford vans was developed for more general use and, combined with developments in chassis technology, resulted in a new design known initially as the COV AB. It goes on to give some details of the initial batches of these. He is quite clear. Initially he talks of the 1962 Ferry van https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryvan - as to be modelled by Revolution- and then the 1963 Ford Pallet vans https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfordpalvan the first of which were VB and the second AB. These are on the 20ft 3in wheelbase which became a standard for a while, having been used on some prototypes earlier. BUT he then is clear it is followed by the batches of 1969 COV AB to become VAB and VBA (and VCA). What I am referring to is the conservationists totally mistaken linking of the 1975 VDA to ferry vans, some 13 years younger than the ferry vans. Paul I think we are agreed. Which is why I said "True, for that batch" in my initial comment, following yours. I knew what you meant but sought to explain the possible confusion. Let's stop this there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Northampton and Lamport Railway 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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