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Hornby Class 31 DCC And Hornby Select Help


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Hi, I've recently had a class 31 Hornby R357 converted to DCC, it is 1975 model with obviously an older motor requiring a better decoder as it needed more amps etc, also my Hornby select upgraded to 1.6 from Hornby, the problem is the train when trying to programme it sometimes jumps a couple times half way through programming and sometimes doesn't but once programmed it sometimes let's me move the train in both directions once and that's it, it will not do anything else, if I take the train off and back on the track it doesn't then recognise the controller I just can't get them to work, factory fitted dcc trains I have from Hornby all work fine, the decoder is a laiscc kung fu with stay alive

 

I was told by the shop that did that the laisdcc decoders are not compatible with the Hornby controllers

 

Any help on this would be great

 

Thanks

 

Chris

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The shop is incorrect.   If its DCC it should work on any DCC system: that's the point of having a DCC standard.  

 

However, the problem is you have one cheap system with limited support and limited capabilities (Select), a cheap decoder with limited support (Lais), and an ancient old model with a poor motor of 50 years ago.     And its possible the stay-alive is confusing things further.  

 

To solve this you need to spend more money.  Possibly a better control system, and almost certainly a better decoder.  Its the awkward models which really benefit from the best decoders that are able to control them.    It may be simpler to get a newer class 31, or re-motor the model you own with a better motor.  

 

 

- Nigel

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Many folk report using cheap Liais decoders with Hornby controllers without problems. I would point the finger at the stay alive interfering with programming. If it is detachable then unplug it for programming and see if it makes life easier.

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The Triang R357 does not have a 'poor' motor; it is a robust and reliable design. The problem is that its older design means that the current draw is somewhat higher than modern motors and this needs to be accommodated if it is to be converted to DCC operation. 

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AFAIK the Hornby Select does not meet the NRMA specifications & there were issues with it when it first came out.

 

Personally, I have had programming issues with various types of "stay alives" connected so I do my setting up with them disconnected & reconnect them once the locomotive is set up.

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Interesting, so what your saying is there is a chance if i disconnected the stay alive there is a chance it might behave properly, it obviously does let me programme it with the stay a live connected though?

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As the NMRA compliant Select effectively programs on the main at full potential there is not the usual stay alive problem of it drowning the normal low energy programming signal. Disconnecting a stay alive will help when your controller has a separate programming output.

 

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On 18/04/2022 at 21:51, Chris-K said:

Interesting, so what your saying is there is a chance if i disconnected the stay alive there is a chance it might behave properly, it obviously does let me programme it with the stay a live connected though?

i have found that setting up decoders tends to be easier with any for of stay alive disconnected.

 

Once set up I then reconnect the stay alives.

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On 20/04/2022 at 10:31, smokebox said:

The Select is not listed as having been given a warrant of conformance.

https://www.nmra.org/nmra-conformance-warrants

 

No-one said it was warranted - only conformant, which is a manufacturers declaration it was made to meet the standards.

I wouldn’t place much faith in that list anyhow as it lists the old R8215 decoder which definitely wasn't warranted and omits the R8249 decoder which definitely is warranted.

Edit - and only one Zimo decoder, when the whole range of which we know are good quality.

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