gnr GNR 6 wheel Howlden's

[woko]

Thought I would start a thread to document my progress on building a rake of GNR Howlden coaches in 7mm for the club's layout.

Having had a stab at some GER 6 and 4 wheel coaches I wanted to try something a little different and a bit more ambitious this time as it involves practising some lining techniques, previously not required on the varnished GER stock I built.

 

So I built the CAD models well over a year ago for the Howlden 6 wheel coaches, but at the time didn't have a printer large enough to realise them in 7mm, and since building the GER coaches I have certainly learnt a lot in the process of making them.

So I have revisited the CAD models since then, the geometry needed cleaning up in places, and I have added some details and fixed a few mistakes, of which im sure there are probably many more ;)

 

so starting with the GNR 3 compartment brake third I have split this up into separate parts to print off.  The buffers, vac pipes, and some handrails. the body, solebars and roof are all separately printed, and assembled once painted.

 

 

I have put this one together as I was keen to get one coach to a  reasonably finished standard to see what was involved.  I still have the transfers to sort out, but will show more in progress shots of the Lav comp I am currently working on. Apologies for any duplication I currently have in my workbench thread in 3d printing. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The teaking is the school of Mike Trice, so kudos has to go to him for his excellent method of applying teak to models.

More to follow soon as I build the rest of the rake

 

Cheers

 

Rob

 

 

 

 

[woko]

Next up im hoping to work on this  Lav comp, which is slightly longer than the other coaches I have planned  in the rake

 

 

[woko]

Finished the lav comp yesterday for the time being, besides transfers and coupling hooks that is, plus a bit of subtle weathering once the transfers are on.

 

I took these two coaches down the club last night to test on the track curves and points, and was kindly informed we now need a rake of 7 instead of the 5 coaches I had initially planned for the club layout!!!! Good job im enjoying painting all this teaking!

 

Hoping to document Mikes fantastic Teaking process with the Third im putting together next.

 

 

 

 

 

[MikeTrice]

The cornice (the strip along the side of the roof that covers the join between the canvas and the side) should be teak, not white:

[woko]

13 minutes ago, MikeTrice said:

The cornice (the strip along the side of the roof that covers the join between the canvas and the side) should be teak, not white:

 

Cheers Mike, so a bit more Teaking to do then :) 

[woko]

So another coach to add to the mix, not quite half way yet, but have added a 6 compartment third to the mix. I have also thanks to Mike's keen eyes fixed the teaking on the beading that runs along the roof channel.

Next up is the 6 wheel full brake, followed by a 5 compartment third, 5 compartment comp, and a first class lavatory coach to complete the rake.

The lovely Mr Ian MacCormac has sent me some fantastic transfers for these coaches I can't wait to apply they are absolutely fantastic so thanks buddy I owe you big time!

 

Im wondering also whether I should run a gloss varnish over these Howldens, out shopped they would have been very shiny indeed, they will need weathering down a bit, once the transfers are on.

 

 

 

 

[Edwardian]

Very nice.

 

Please sell me prints in 4mil, otherwise it's also cruel!

[woko]

5 hours ago, Edwardian said:

Very nice.

 

Please sell me prints in 4mil, otherwise it's also cruel!

Cheers James, and yes I have been some what slack on the ole 4mm stuff lately, as soon as i do I will ping you sir, I still want to have a crack at those LCDR coaches as well at some point, as they look lovely! But as soon as i finish these im going to get cracking on the LBSC 6 wheeler Billinton's all being well.

 

[woko]

Some pre Teaked photos capturing the process used to teak these coaches.

 

Halfords matt yellow primer

 

 

 

1 to 1 mix of Vallejo Orange Brown and Bright Orange for the base coat thinly applied over the Matt primer yellow

 

 

 

 

Some panels picked out in a slightly darker shades and lighter shades for that varied panelled finish, and with a  coat of pledge clear floor polish sploshed over the top ready for the oil paint.

 

 

After this I will use a medium flat brush and lightly wash some Vandyke Brown oil over the top of this to create the graining effect. I keep working the grain until I am happy with the effect, the beauty of oil paints are you have a long working time, and should you not be happy you can remove it with thinners or turps and it will not destroy your acrylic base layers below.

 

For the full explanation see Mikes excellent thread below detailing the process he uses, and the one of which I have adopted for painting these coaches so thanks Mike for sharing :) 

 

 

 

 

[woko]

Slowly been chipping away at these babies,  and putting the transfers on that the talented Mr Ian MacCormac has kindly provided. I still have the crests and door transfers to whack on and one more coach to print and build to complete the rake, which is a Five compartment Comp. This will mean the rake will consist of 3 compartment third, 6 compartment third, 5 compartment comp, 4 compartment lav first, 4 compartment Luggage/lav Comp, 5 compartment comp, and a full brake third . 

Also I would like to re do the Full brake as im not quite happy with the glazing on one side! So will rebuild this and potentially sell this off once its finished!

 

Just a few pics showing the progress will do some better ones when I have finished and apologies for the spotty table covering it is all i had to hand will get some on the club layout soon hopefully :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Edwardian]

Wow

[Skinnylinny]

Those are absolutely stunning!

[Edwardian]

What diagrams are they?

[woko]

Thanks Linny and James very kind words indeed, still a way off being finished yet, but a huge thanks has to go to @ianmaccormac for all his help and support with the amazing transfers, and work he put into those, along with @thegreenhowards and @MikeTrice who have helped out massively with reference material, and advice on the build of these coaches.

I have to admit they have been super fun to build, and im quite keen to have a go at a full length Bogie coach soon, maybe one of those beautiful 12 wheeler GNR/ECJS Clerestories in 7mm, not suitable for our club layout, but would be amazing to build, especially with all the seating inside, and lighting!!!

 

Diagrams as follows

 

Full Brake: Diagram 301

First Class: Diagram 84

Lav Comp: Diagram 147

6 compartment third: Diagram 243

5 compartment third: Diagram 245

Third class Brake: Diagram 283

 

And the last one currently on the bench half way printed is the 5 compartment Comp Diagram 155

 

[Edwardian]

You were in good hands.  I ask because I have the GN Soc. volumes on the Howlden stock and, as parishioners may have noticed, I can be a bit of a coach nerd, and wanted to look them up! 

 

They are magnificent. Any chance of 4mil versions?

[woko]

Haha I have to say I am becoming a bit of a coach Nerd too James I think once you start looking into all these beautifully crafted coaches of these by gone eras it is hard not to be impressed by the scale of detail and finish.

 

I am looking into knocking up some 4mil versions to chuck behind my dads Stirling, hopefully for chrimbo! I probably won't make all of the variations above in 4mil but a third, first, comp and full, and third brake perhaps. So once I have them scaled down and adjusted for 4mil I will post and let you know sir.

Ideally it be fantastic to find someone who'd be keen on printing all these coaches out for any potential folks who might want some, as I have to admit the printing aspect is my least favourite part of the production :)

 

Cheers

 

Rob

 

 

 

 

 

[Edwardian]

1 hour ago, woko said:

Haha I have to say I am becoming a bit of a coach Nerd too James I think once you start looking into all these beautifully crafted coaches of these by gone eras it is hard not to be impressed by the scale of detail and finish.

 

I am looking into knocking up some 4mil versions to chuck behind my dads Stirling, hopefully for chrimbo! I probably won't make all of the variations above in 4mil but a third, first, comp and full, and third brake perhaps. So once I have them scaled down and adjusted for 4mil I will post and let you know sir.

Ideally it be fantastic to find someone who'd be keen on printing all these coaches out for any potential folks who might want some, as I have to admit the printing aspect is my least favourite part of the production :)

 

Cheers

 

Rob

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of each would give me an ideal GNR train for Castle Aching, having the Stirling 4-2-2 and two GNR 2-2-2s (!), I'm keen to have a train for them!

 

Gary (Blue Lightening) is doing some stock printing. I don't know whether his bed would accommodate these. 

 

I hope I'll have teaked some Oldburys by then, so should be up for painting some Howldens.

 

 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Edwardian
More wheels needed!

[woko]

4 minutes ago, Edwardian said:

 

One of each would give me an ideal GNR for Castle Aching, having the Stirling 4-2-0 and two GNR 2-2-2s (!), I'm keen to have a train for them!

 

Gary (Blue Lightening) is doing some stock printing. I don't know whether his bed would accommodate these. 

 

I hope I'll have teaked some Oldburys by then, so should be up for painting some Howldens.

 

That would look the business James! And good point I know Gary's doing some excellent stuff with Linny, the SECR ex LCDR coach set looks fantastic, I will ping him and see what he says.

Cheers

[thegreenhowards]

Having seen these in the flesh tonight, I have to say they look fantastic. You’re really getting that teak painting and lining sussed and the speed you churn them out is amazing. You’ll be stocking the whole club layout soon!

[woko]

Thanks Andy that is super kind, but seeing what a cracking job you made on building and painting that 7mm GNR C12 I had to pull my finger out chap and create something for it to pull :) looking forward to seeing all this stuff running at the next O gauge club running night all being well.  

[BlueLightning]

On 12/09/2022 at 15:50, woko said:

 

That would look the business James! And good point I know Gary's doing some excellent stuff with Linny, the SECR ex LCDR coach set looks fantastic, I will ping him and see what he says.

Cheers

 

I'm sure we could come to an arrangement, if they don't fit on the shops printer then I am planning on getting a printer with a much bigger bed at home, although I can already print the SE&CR 6 wheelers on the existing home printer.

 

 

(available soon before anyone asks, let me finish my set first 😛)

 

Gary

Edited September 13, 2022 by BlueLightning

[Edwardian]

7 minutes ago, BlueLightning said:

 

I'm sure we could come to an arrangement, if they don't fit on the shops printer then I am planning on getting a printer with a much bigger bed at home, although I can already print the SE&CR 6 wheelers on the existing home printer.

 

 

(available soon before anyone asks, let me finish my set first 😛)

 

Gary

 

Will be begging to buy these SE&CR coaches

 

Will be begging to but 5 GNR Howldens

 

This is me begging. 

[BlueLightning]

58 minutes ago, Edwardian said:

 

Will be begging to buy these SE&CR coaches

 

Will be begging to but 5 GNR Howldens

 

This is me begging. 

 

Once I have finished my set, and got a few more sets printed I'll make a post on my thread about them. I'll make sure to add an extra set to my print queue so you can have them!

 

Gary

Edited September 13, 2022 by BlueLightning

[woko]

4 hours ago, BlueLightning said:

 

I'm sure we could come to an arrangement, if they don't fit on the shops printer then I am planning on getting a printer with a much bigger bed at home, although I can already print the SE&CR 6 wheelers on the existing home printer.

 

 

 

(available soon before anyone asks, let me finish my set first 😛)

 

Gary

 

Sounds good to me Gary, and I have some other bits potentially if you fancy printing those too :) 

 

[BlueLightning]

14 minutes ago, woko said:

 

Sounds good to me Gary, and I have some other bits potentially if you fancy printing those too :) 

 

 

Very interested! We should definitely discuss it!