Whitby and Pickering short coaches

[D6332]

Hi the NYMR had restricted coaches right into BR days when curves were eased. About 46 feet ish. Does anyone have any details or information on the secret story? Many thanks

[D5158]

A quick response.

 

IIRC the Restrictions regarding stock length applied to Platform 3 and 4.  49 feet feet long coaches were built by the NER for Whitby services.   The track in Platform 3 was removed in BR days.  I believe BR Mk1’s were restricted.
 

I will get more specific when I consult the Sectional appendices.

Edited November 1, 2022 by D5158
Typo errors corrected.

[Stuart]

Although normal trains between Malton and Whitby in LNER days were 51ft, (57ft in BR days), there were summer trains from KX formed of corridor stock. I can’t see any requirement for particular length stock so I guess Gresleys, which are 63ft (??) weren’t restricted. So the curves were probably eased before the 1920s.

The only restriction on BR Mk1s was indeed in platforms 3 and 4 at Whitby Town. If Mk1s were in one of those platforms, the other had to be ‘blocked’.

 

[D6332]

Thanks for above.. 

In railway memories 19 there is a phot o f end of a coach, it has in very large type 

MALTON

WHITBY

it states they were restricted to 45 foot coaches until tight curves were eased by the LNER after which larger locos and longe roaches were allowed. It doesn't give details of the coaches or when sadly. Wonder if it was when part was singled, but pure speculation. 

Really, the interest is in the coaches 

[Stuart]

Looking at Philip Benham's book on NYMR, he says that four-wheel coaches were replaced with 45ft bogie vehicles in 1898/9 - NER diagrams 47, 48 and 49.

Restrictions on 52ft stock were lifted in 1901 due to a programme of track improvements, and vehicles up to 65ft 6ins alowed by 1922.  All restrictions on LNER stock were lifted in 1924.

I have a note that "17.10.1964 - 6.45 pm Whitby – Malton D348 plus 4 coaches, 2 of which, E43358E and E43031E, were marked to work Whitby- Malton only. " I can't immediately find the source of this information (probably a photo somewhere but I would think the marking is the one in Railway Memories 19.

By the 60's the Malton-Whitby sets only worked between those points, with maybe an FSO extension to York; this might explain the markings?

Incidentally, by the 1963-4 winter timetable, the Malton-Whitby set was booked for BR Standard Stock, and I have read somewhere that thse came from the LTS after electrification.

 

[D6332]

Thankyou for h

On 16/11/2022 at 21:54, Stuart said:

Looking at Philip Benham's book on NYMR, he says that four-wheel coaches were replaced with 45ft bogie vehicles in 1898/9 - NER diagrams 47, 48 and 49.

Restrictions on 52ft stock were lifted in 1901 due to a programme of track improvements, and vehicles up to 65ft 6ins alowed by 1922.  All restrictions on LNER stock were lifted in 1924.

I have a note that "17.10.1964 - 6.45 pm Whitby – Malton D348 plus 4 coaches, 2 of which, E43358E and E43031E, were marked to work Whitby- Malton only. " I can't immediately find the source of this information (probably a photo somewhere but I would think the marking is the one in Railway Memories 19.

By the 60's the Malton-Whitby sets only worked between those points, with maybe an FSO extension to York; this might explain the markings?

Incidentally, by the 1963-4 winter timetable, the Malton-Whitby set was booked for BR Standard Stock, and I have read somewhere that thse came from the LTS after electrification.

 

Thankyou so much for clearing up this breadcrumb. So the were NER era restrictions, another I've found d were 4 wheel coaches until the incline was shut. These were hauled by a delightful 0-4-4 tender locomotive rather like the NBR ones...

Then the NER restrictions above.

The pair of BS suburbans is indeed the photo and we must assume a shorter wheelbase of 57 foot was to do with Whitby platform 3?  Fascinating!