Wagon buffer types

[Hal Nail]

I'm trying to identify a few different buffer types primarily for my late 50s 7mm modelling. Any help appreciated.

 

I've mostly used my own pics to avoid copywrite but i hope a few extracts of photos ive downloaded are ok for identification. I've ignored what the wagons are as may well not be originals so it's a bit academic

 

Pic1

Right hand is an oleo type I'm familiar with. Slaters and others do them.

Is the left a Dowty hydraulic? Parallel barrel but narrow diameter buffer shank. Anyone make these in 7mm?

 

 

Pic 2 Dowty - better photo

 

 

Pic 3 (Left again Oleo).

Right is pretty standard but i dont actually know what is its. Longer type,but short side rib

 

 

Pic 4 Left hand is similar to above but much more obvious side ribs and a short top rib

 

 

Pic 5 i think is an early BR self contained. Note the barrel isn't smooth and a tiny side rib, not clear in this photo but is there. GJH Plant/Invertrains do these, albeit without the side rib.

  

 

Pic 6

Ellis Clark early Presflo type. Accurascale also do them like this. Paul Bartlett's site shows some Presflos with these (eg 1/272 No. 888034) - I assume another self-contained variant? Were they original or a later type? Any ideas?

 

Edited April 18, 2023 by Hal Nail

[jim.snowdon]

The buffers in Pics 3 & 4 are the old fashioned RCH pattern spring buffers. Originally the buffer spindles bore on the ends of a large leaf spring that was mounted across the underframe behind the headstocks, but the 1923 spec underframes allowed for each buffer to have its own coil or rubber spring. The 4-rib buffer guide is the standard pattern, but the 2-rib variant was common, more usually on railway owned merchandise vehicles.

 

The buffer in Pic 5 has, I think, its origins with the LMS, but it is also really only a variant of the Turton-Platt self-contained buffer used, predominantly, by the Great Western.

[Hal Nail]

4 minutes ago, jim.snowdon said:

The buffers in Pics 3 & 4 are the old fashioned RCH pattern spring buffers. Originally the buffer spindles bore on the ends of a large leaf spring that was mounted across the underframe behind the headstocks, but the 1923 spec underframes allowed for each buffer to have its own coil or rubber spring. The 4-rib buffer guide is the standard pattern, but the 2-rib variant was common, more usually on railway owned merchandise vehicles.

 

The buffer in Pic 5 has, I think, its origins with the LMS, but it is also really only a variant of the Turton-Platt self-contained buffer used, predominantly, by the Great Western.

 

Excellent thanks. I had a feeling one of 3 and 4 would be RCH but I didn't realise they both are. 

5 interesting as well.

 

 

[Wickham Green too]

11 hours ago, jim.snowdon said:

... The buffer in Pic 5 has, I think, its origins with the LMS, but it is also really only a variant of the Turton-Platt self-contained buffer used, predominantly, by the Great Western.

All these are, of course 1’8½’’ buffers for fitted stock and the RCH types also came in a 1'6'' variant for unfitted - the GWR/LMS Turton Platt was also widely used by the SECR and Southern ( more so than the LMS ).

Try the Lanarkshire website for buffer comparisons ( http://www.lanarkshiremodels.com/lanarkshiremodelsandsupplieswebsite_008.htm ) ...... you might persuade them to up-size to 7mm at some time in the future when they're not too busy !

[davefrk]

2 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

 

Try the Lanarkshire website for buffer comparisons ( http://www.lanarkshiremodels.com/lanarkshiremodelsandsupplieswebsite_008.htm ) ...... you might persuade them to up-size to 7mm at some time in the future when they're not too busy !

 

Eh what!!!!

 

Sorry but no chance of that happening.

 

Dave@LMS

[Hal Nail]

8 hours ago, davefrk said:

 

Eh what!!!!

 

Sorry but no chance of that happening.

 

Dave@LMS

The pictures are very useful though!