High Peak Junction

[Robert Shrives]

Hi  I crash landed  in Ireland when Murphy 141 spotted in BHM model shop and in 4mm Robertland have taken over, so beware of interplanetry  issues!     mind you my Traing TT lockdown project currently has a 1:32 Western kit sitting on it... 

Robert  

Edited August 22, 2023 by Robert Shrives
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[Hunslet 102]

Many thanks for your detailed replies TT100.

A lot of hours involved to produce a pleasing model, obviously well worth it and the results are proof of the dedication to model something unique.

Fair play to the cottage industry guy, investment without knowing the actual returns is true commitment. He certainly sounds like a dedicated modeller, both for himself and others. It is good and important to support these kind of suppliers, as many cottage industries have long since gone.

Personally, I am too far down the 00 line (excuse the pun) to change! I do like to model bash, which is what I had to do with my Irish models, before any of the RTR stuff came to market. Worsley Works has been a great small supplier, supplying many etches to convert RTR coaches into Irish coaches and railcars (DMUs).

My efforts would not be one for the purest or rivet counters, but they meet my needs and bring back memories of my childhood.

Keep up the good work with your own modelling and look forward to more updates on your great thread.

 

[TT100 Diesels]

Well said Hunslet.

 

Good to see you kitbash stuff as well. Not all my stuff would be for the purists either, I play the compromise card quite a bit to be honest, but so what, as long as we are enjoying it.

 

We 3mm diesel folk are very fortunate to have LL around, it really has transformed our branch of 3mm modelling. We are very thankful for that.

 

Cheers

 

TT100.

 

[TT100 Diesels]

Back on track with pictures from the layout, a short selection:

 

 

BRCW Class 104, 3 car set is on the yard reception road. 

 

The Class 128 DPU is getting a fuel top up in the shed, while an independent snow plough is stored on a turntable dead end road. 

 

 

Another day, another scene....... 20154, 25125 and 25071 loiter in the yard.

 

 

Brush 2 - Sulzer 2 - EE 2 ! A mix of builders and power units represented by 25071, 31109, 37099 and 47205. Not much of a freight yard, I think it is more of a "wannbe TMD" 😁

 

Thanks for looking in.

[Hunslet 102]

Nice photo lineup, particularly like the DMU and the track work looks very realistic 

[TT100 Diesels]

Cheers Hunslet. Yes, just thought I would raid the photo archive and add a few more on here. Need to get more freight sorted though, only actually got one rake of mineral empties re wheeled painted and weathered. But, as per up thread, got the brake van situation sorted just the other day,  and literally on at the mo with a quartet of air braked vans, dropped on here while glue is setting. Probably should take a pic and pop it over on the Scale Specific / 3mm / What's on your workbench thread. Actually, I will.

 

And cheers all for the ongoing interest.

[TT100 Diesels]

Another dip into the how it was done archives. This time the Class 128 DPU which seems to have been quite popular on this thread and the picture I posted of it on the realistic modelling thread.

 

As has been said a few pages ago, I bought it from Adrian Westbury who had originally scratch built it. A chopped up Tillig motorised chassis integrated into a brass and plasticard sub frame. Body was two Triang 104 DMU cars cut and shut with a lot of additional modelling.

 

 

I know this pic appeared up thread, but its included as its relevant to this post. The original unit constructed in "as built" condition, a WR unit with gangways and split headcode boxes. It had seen better days, as can be seen the adhesive holding on the cosmetic side frames was failing. Additionally, the Tilling powered bogies fouled the chassis / underframe on my train set radius curves on the layout. I had also decided that it would be updated to circa 1980 condition with marker lights and sheeted over gangway connections.

 

 

I got to work on modifying the chassis to eliminate the bogie rotation issues on tight track curves but the adhesive bonds on the Tillig chassis bits to cosmetic chassis were all failing with the handling. So while it was all still more or less in one piece, I "tacked" it with super glue. Once happy with the overall condition, I then flooded as much as I could with super glue. Later, I went back and worked fine milliput into the joint interfaces to really lock it all together. I needed to as the inside end corners of the chassis needed some surgery to remove material to sort the bogie rotation tight curve foul issue.

 

This pic shows some of the milliput plus the fallen off cosmetic bogie side frames. I found there was very little meat between the wheels to re bond these to, so in some cases has to build up with plasticard as seen on the r/h bogie. Some underframe gubbins came adrift too so needed sorting.

 

 

As part of the bogie side frame refit job, I added plastic channel section as cosmetic headstocks but these also were bonded to the Tillig bogie and the inside ends of the cosmetic side frames, making a much more robust job of it (repeated on inner end of the bogie as well).

 

The buffer beams were detailed up as well, they came with twin vac pipes, but I re fitted them in a more correct position, which allowed 0.4mm dia n/s rod and plastic rod offcuts to to be added to represent the MU jumpers plus my home brew screw shackle from wire and plasticard off cuts. I also added step boards to the underframe under the door positions.

 

 

With the chassis modified, repaired and added details, it was time to get started on the bodyshell. A comprehensive strip back, everything off back to the base shell. The cab windscreens were enlarged vertically, strangely they were about 2mm too shallow. The windows in the sliding parcels area doors were originally scribed in, I cut these out into proper window apertures. Also, plasticard added to fill the holes in the cab front which were revealed after the gangways were removed.

 

 

All the door panel lines were carefully re scribed to enhance them. The ex gangways were plated over using 0.25mm thick plasticard sheet. Marker lamps were made by drilling in and fixing brass rod then adding plastic tube over to get the correct size. All new handrail locations marked and pre drilled.

 

 

Roof wise, there were 8 quite prominent white metal ventilators on the original models. However, contemporary photos shows 18 lower profile roof vents. So the white metal ones were removed and appropriate sized plasticard disc cut out and bonded in place. I accept these are essentially representations, but it gave the "look" l was after.

 

 

After the body was primed, the n/s rod hand rails and door handles were added plus plasticard versions as required for the cab door "solid" style hand rails.

 

That is part 1. More to come.

Edited August 25, 2023 by TT100 Diesels
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[TT100 Diesels]

So into part 2 of the DPU refurbishment project.

 

 

Livery elements building up over the primer.

 

 

Ex paint shop. Full livery elements plus decals added. I fitted new exhaust pipes after the main paint job was completed to get a crisper finish. The pipes had been pre painted.

 

Decals were Nairnshire modelling supplies  small double arrows (4mm), Woodhead drivers door "private" and "express parcels" (3mm), vehicle number "55995" Fox (3mm) and "M" was cut out of CCT presflo ceMent wagon sheet (3mm). Spot the deliberate mistake - Express Parcels, should be Parcels Service, but the Woodhead sheet was the closest I could find. However this unit did carry Express Parcels but a few years later when  it was in Red Star livery.

 

 

Looking the biz now it is weathered. The added step boards under the doors can be seen to advantage in this view. And the obligatory two coats of rattle can matt varnish followed by my home brew flush glazing.

 

 

And in traffic ! The DPU leads a refurbished two car Met Camm class 101.

 

Hope folk enjoyed this little two part dip into the refurbishment of this vehicle.

[Robert Shrives]

I like the 128 a pretty extreme bit of bashing!   For "under gubbins"  I got some 3mm generic 3D prints from Bob Davies of N train- a "blow up" of an N gauge item. 

Robert    

[TT100 Diesels]

Hi again, thanks for the ongoing interest. I said up thread that I would do a freight focus, so now I have some brake vans finished (see just up thread plus scale specific / 3mm / what's on your workbench thread) to complement the mineral opens, the first "complete" freight consist and its build can finally be shown.

 

Not for the purist mind, the mineral empties are Triang 16T minerals, re-wheeled and painted / weathered. And by rights, if on stone traffic would probably be the tippler type with cut outs so they cannot be overloaded, oh well, rule 1 strikes again (or my friend, compromise!).

 

 

To start with, a completely standard Triang 16T mineral wagon. The open axle boxes can be seen and the raised moulded end door market stripe and wagon number.

 

 

In production. A single wagon was fully completed to test the process (centre front). It is accompanied by two ex works examples.

 

Work scope was

Chassis - To re wheel with 9mm dia pin point axle metal wheels running in 2mm dia brass pin point bearings. Fill in outer remaining axle holes, prime frame and finish in flat matt black. Note same mechanical process as the brake van re wheeling, again see the 3mm workbench thread.

Body - Scrape off moulded raised numbers. Prime and repaint in Freight Grey. Paint black patch then apply 16T and number details and white stripe in 3mm scale from Cambridge Custom Transfers.

 

Remaining wagons in above picture are ex works bodies to be reunited with ex works chassis. This project was carried out in 2017.

 

 

The raised moulded diagonal end door marker was left in situ but with a new white stripe applied, again supplied by CCT. An ex works example can be compared with the "prototype" first off in weathered condition. A total of 12 wagons made up this rake.

 

 

A contemporary picture highlighting the weathering of a trio of heavily weathered examples.  Most wagons are medium to heavy but to add interest, I did two as very light, i.e. wagons off heavy maintenance / works repaint.

 

 

One of the light weathered examples with a medium weathered example to its right.

 

That covers off the build, part 2 will show more completed pics on the layout.

 

Edited September 3, 2023 by TT100 Diesels
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[TT100 Diesels]

So, into part 2 of the freight focus. These are all contemporary photos.

 

 

25125 shunts the rake in High Peak Junction yard, a light weathered example next to the air brake piped brake van.

 

 

A nice view of the rake snaking across the yard pointwork.

 

 

Another close up.

 

 

Looking back towards the station end. The rake snakes into the yard.

 

 

And to end this freight focus, tail end charlie, a standard brake van on the back of the rake after it arrived on the reception road.

 

This rake was more about scrubbing up Triang wagons to obtain a "look" that I found acceptable to me. I have other Triang wagons to do up and will apply the same standards to them so I hopefully achieve a "consistent look". That is really what I am after.

 

Hope this has been of some interest, thanks for looking in.

[MarshLane]

Great to see some 3mm modelling on here ... and good modelling at that. Following along and keep going at it!

[TT100 Diesels]

17 minutes ago, MarshLane said:

Great to see some 3mm modelling on here ... and good modelling at that. Following along and keep going at it!

 

Thank you Marsh Lane, its kind of you to say. Layout wise, there is also Bluish a few pages further down the layout topics, that is also 3mm with some lovely scratch built diesels and Woodhead electrics, if you like to see 3mm modelling and have not already seen it, I am sure you will enjoy it.

 

Cheers

 

TT100 Diesels

 

[bradfordbuffer]

2 hours ago, TT100 Diesels said:

So, into part 2 of the freight focus. These are all contemporary photos.

 

 

25125 shunts the rake in High Peak Junction yard, a light weathered example next to the air brake piped brake van.

 

 

A nice view of the rake snaking across the yard pointwork.

 

 

Another close up.

 

 

Looking back towards the station end. The rake snakes into the yard.

 

 

And to end this freight focus, tail end charlie, a standard brake van on the back of the rake after it arrived on the reception road.

 

This rake was more about scrubbing up Triang wagons to obtain a "look" that I found acceptable to me. I have other Triang wagons to do up and will apply the same standards to them so I hopefully achieve a "consistent look". That is really what I am after.

 

Hope this has been of some interest, thanks for looking in.

Atmosphere....Atmosphere...then some more Atmosphere...smart work as usual.

G

[TT100 Diesels]

Leading on from the freight focus just up thread, having a run with the finished rake (well finally brake vans painted up), the class 20's turned up on an unfitted empty stone working from Derby St Mary's to Longcliffe Quarry loading point at Grangemill sidings.

 

 

20175 and 20154 are held in the loop at High Peak Jn while a Derby bound DMU with M50449 leading crosses it in the opposite direction. The Class 104 is numbered up as a genuine Etches Park set from the era.

 

 

Looking the other way, 'super shunter' 14005 stands in the yard while 25125 is inhabiting the shed road, probably in for fuel. Note to self, must get the Lincoln / Oaks n-RTR 03 and 08 detailed up and painted to finally get something  approaching realistic for yard pilot. At the moment it either 14005 or a Triang "08".

 

 

Bit closer in, the two independent snow ploughs can also be made out, both stabled up awaiting the white stuff quite a few months away yet.

 

 

And speaking of 'realism', the two yard sidings were, in the back story for the layout, originally the two lines which led to the bottom of the original Sheep Pasture incline. Hence the long abandoned track after the buffer stops. In a nod to the real location, the disused water tower and my greatly modified 'take' on the workshop buildings are in approximately the right place.

 

Apologies for the pic quality, their straight off the tablet cam, just tons quicker than the download faff off the proper camera and was messing about playing trains then decided to take a few pics, as you do.......

 

On 04/09/2023 at 00:17, bradfordbuffer said:

Atmosphere....Atmosphere...then some more Atmosphere...smart work as usual.

G

 

Thanks for the very positive comments Bradfordbuffer, I hope you enjoy these pictures, I think the overall "look" is starting to come together a bit more now. 

 

And again, thanks to all the folk popping by for a look.

 

Cheers

 

TT100 Diesels

[TT100 Diesels]

A while since I last posted. No new progress on the layout itself but the quartet of air braked vans are progressing, seen on the separate scale specific 3mm scale workbench thread.

 

As for HPJ, been taking a few pics of normal humdrum scenes with the correct core traction. Same old locos unfortunately, but hopefully some nice shots.

 

 

25071 stands with a pair of 20s, 20154 and 20175. The sulzer will be moving off onto a siding road in anticipation of a loco release on an inbound freight. An independent snow plough is stabled on one of the turntable dead end roads.

 

 

Nipped the other side to get this pic of the type 1 and 2 locos outside the shed.

 

 

25125 stands at the head of a rake of mineral empties on the loop. It will propel back into the station once the passenger DMU had passed then draw forward into the yard reception road.

 

 

The other independent snow plough ADB965243 stabled on the former coaling stage supply road with 20154 and 20175, the latter run into the shed for a quick check by the fitter. 

 

 

A quick walk over the old coal stage and drop down onto the yard, the 20s have just drawn forward out of the shed, with the other independent snow plough stabled on a turntable dead road. 25125 just arrived on the yard reception road with the empty minerals.

 

 

A quick wander back up the yard and around the rear of the newly arrived mineral empties finds 25071 ready to move off up the head shunt to back down onto the brake van and draw the empties off 25125.

 

Hope these are of interest.

Edited October 1, 2023 by TT100 Diesels
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[Hunslet 102]

Nice photos, the locomotive stud looks great, as does the open wagons. With your description to go along with the photos, you can actually picture the scene of the wagon movement 

[TT100 Diesels]

Hello again and thanks for the interest. Time to dip into the archives for another loco build feature. The focus this time is on the pair of class 20's.

 

These are both from Lincoln Locos, and originally both locos were supplied as 3d print body shells, chassis and double power bogies. As it happened, I was able to buy them direct at a local 3mm society group meet, where they were being shown off. They had been brought along as demonstrators and one was already painted in green livery and they were theoretically destined for the Lincoln Locos home layout. However, I managed to negotiate their sale to me!

 

With two locos and four powered bogies, I ended up re configuring them to one powered loco and one dummy loco, the second pair of power bogies being robbed to power my Baby Deltic (see page 2 of this thread for the build feature of that loco).

 

 

This loco as supplied in grey undercoat and yellow ends was the loco selected to remain as the powered example. Overall, a really good starting point with a nicely proportioned body shell and lovely crisp gille and bonnet doors and roof fittings detail. However, I decided to carry out a number of detailing improvements to enhance the overall look and to bring it to life. Note, body shell detailing work carried out was also replicated on the dummy loco green painted body shell.

 

Probably the single most obvious improvement was to double the depth of the cab end headcode box, as printed it is too shallow. I worked off photos to estimate the correct depth. 

 

Secondly, was to scrape off the moulded hand rail mouldings and also scrape off the cab windscreen frames, which appear a little "heavy" for my taste. Also, the horn grille frames were carefully reduced to a more subtle thickness.

 

 

Work has started. Cab end moulded hand rails and windscreen surrounds removed and horn grill surround reduced to a more subtle profile.

 

Other shaping work was to introduce a more rounded edge to the cab roof front profile, at the point where the prominent cab roof creases interface with the front edge, with the rounded edge feathered back into the crease. It's not easy to see on this pic, the other body shell pics will show it better. Same with the addition of the two cab roof mounted ventilators, fashioned from plasticard, sized and located with reference to photographs. The side window bar cut out, so a one piece glazing with painted bar to be fitted at the end of the build.

 

 

Looking at the No 1 end, the front bonnet vertical moulded hand rail scraped off as with the hand rail above the headcode box. As per the cab end, the horn grill surround was reduced in profile. The longitudinal moulded hand rail along the bonnet was not scraped off, because it would result in damaging the surrounding detail and unlike the ends moulded hand rails, was not quite as deep. I made the decision to simply add a wire handrail over the top of it, the handrail knob fixing holes have been pre drilled in anticipation of this task.

 

 

This shows the overall "kit" of parts. The two 3d print power bogies, the 3 d print chassis and body shell.

 

By this point, the chassis had been modified with the addition of plasticard hoppers which had been filled with liquid lead, super glued in place (note conventional wisdom is to use super glue for this task, do not use PVA or the lead will gradually expand over time with destructive results). Of note, I used the same method of body to chassis fixing as on the Baby Deltic, a 2 mm thick slab of plasticard bonded to the underside of the roof, with a dowel to locate the chassis and a 12 BA screw self tapped into a slightly smaller drilled hole to secure it. 

 

The chassis / liquid lead area had provision for this before the lead was added. The dowel was fitted and a length of plastic tube added for the 12 BA screw to pass through. The other two plastic tubes added are for the bogie pick up synchronising wires. There is no room to thread them anywhere else due to tight fit of the chassis into the body.

 

At this stage the battery box module is simply the as supplied plain 3d printed extension to the chassis. Detailed plasticard overlays were added at a later stage.

 

 

Unlike a lot of my other main line diesels, there was room in the class 20's for cabs as the the mechanisms did not foul the cab area. So basic cab interior modules were made from plasticard. The one pictured is for the dummy loco. A similar version was made and fitted to the chassis on the powered loco.

 

 

Turning to the dummy loco, this is the "kit" of parts. 3d print body shell, scratch built plasticard chassis (easier to do than adapt the printed version), scratch built battery box module from plasticard (minus the later detail overlays), and dummy bogies.

 

 

The dummy chassis and bogie kit of parts assembled. The dowel and 12 BA screw can be seen for fixing the body shell. The bogies have Lincoln Locos white metal cosmetic side frames which were originally for the Baby Deltic but became surplus due to the class 20 3d print power bogie pair being used instead. 

 

The core bogie frames were sourced from an etched brass easy fold bogie, the other was a spare Kitmaster MKI coach bogie, with the side frame detail filed off. Both bogies were wheeled with pin point axle metal 10.5 mm dia wheelsets running in pin point brass bearings.

 

 

A quick look at the dummy loco in pre detailed configuration. At this stage I decided that I liked the idea of wire handrails for the cab doors. Therefore, the existing moulded cab door vertical frame strips and adjacent moulded hand rails had to be very carefully scraped off both body shells. New frame strips were built up with microstrip and wire hand rails added.

 

That is it for this instalment, part 2 will show the results of the detailing work.

[TT100 Diesels]

Part 2 of the pair of 20's build.

 

 

Cab roof ventilators cut and shaped from plasticard and bonded into place. As the already green liveried dummy loco is painted, it shows up more the work required to scrape off the handrails and windscreen frames and clean up with needle files and grit paper.

 

 

A good view of detailing work proceeding on the powered loco. 

 

Bonnet handrails in place, from 0.3mm nickel silver rod. The knobs were very fine etched jobs from the 3mm society shop.

 

On the buffer beam, jumpers and brake pipes from n/s rod, scraps of plasticard and plastic rod. Buffers are Lincoln Loco 3d print.

 

 

A close up of the finished dummy loco to show the front end wire handrails fitted, extended depth headcode box, and detail overlay for the battery box on the underframe. The cab door wire handrails and new door frames can also be seen.

 

Footsteps were required on 3 corners of the loco, from wills signal ladders OO scale. They are not as long as the prototype, this weas a deliberate change by me as they are fairly prone to damage as it is, longer ones probably would not last long.

 

 

With lots of pics of this pair of 20's already featuring in the thread, just this one here of them finished for post completeness. All glazing is my now standard method of using  0.6mm clear styrene, hand cut. I even managed to do the bonnet side cab windscreens like this as well, being very small and extremely difficult to fit, I thought I may have to resort to glue and glaze, but somehow got away with it.

 

The locos selected were both Toton allocated during my core layout period and also both dual braked in the same time period. The powered loco, 20154 carries the usual livery / decals combination and is reasonably heavily weathered, from pictures if it in 1979. The dummy loco, 20175, was lightly weathered  as per pictures of it in 1979. Unusually, it has the double arrows on the cab sides, so another reason for selecting it as well as it gives a bit of variety.

 

A pair of 20's was a must have core traction for this layouts location, so I am really pleased with them and they complement the two 25's on freight work.

 

Thanks folk for looking in, hope these retrospective diesel build posts continue to be of interest.

[Hunslet 102]

I admire your tenacity TT, hand cut glazing to such a small area, beautiful work 

[97406]

They look smashing.

[TT100 Diesels]

Hi folks, cheers for the interest shown. 

 

Something different this time, another freight focus, the newly completed (today) quartet of air braked vans for my feeder service from HPJ to Toton. The idea is they work to HPJ as a feeder off the air braked freight network, then are tripped to and from Friden brickworks, carrying palletised output.

 

The build is covered over on scale specific / 3mm / what's on 3mm workbench thread.

 

 

Seen tonight, arrived in the yard at HPJ with a VAA nearest the camera. Moderately weathered, with reference to Paul Bartletts excellent website.

 

 

This time we have 20175 attached to the VCA. All four finished in freight brown with mostly BR Railfreight decals, but the VCA carrying  BR arrows. Livery wise, this appears to drop right for latish 70's to 1980.

 

 

Part the rake seen up the yard headshunt.

 

 

And with 20154 doing the honours on this occasion.

 

 

20154 doing a spot of shunting with the rake up towards the station, on the yard headshunt. Of interest, this view shows the tiny sliver of hand cut glazing for the bonnet side windscreen, thanks for the comment above Hunslet 102, and 97406.

 

I am pleased with how these have come out, tried to be subtle with the weathering, and now got another revenue freight train completed. So that is the mineral empties and this air braked van rake, well its a start.

 

Hopefully remaining of interest......

[Hunslet 102]

Nice work, the subtle weathering below the small openings on the sides of the wagons looks good, a great attention to detail 

[TT100 Diesels]

Hi folks, been a good few weeks since the last layout update. I have got an 08 in the oven but that is on 3 mm workbench thread as it is current WIP.

 

A dip back into my photo collection, and its "testing time" at HPJ.

 

 

97201 had arrived with the tribometer text train, but needed to be uncoupled, they had a power fault and after a bit of fettling, just needed to run up and down a siding to make sure it was all ok again.

 

Meanwhile, 25071 is coupled up to an independent snow plough, as a pre winter snow plough refresher run was booked for HPJ crews.

 

 

After a lot of shunting faff, 97201 is back on the trib train, waiting  for a booked test path later in the day. Meanwhile, the snow plough refresher test run formation has been formed up, with 25071 and 25125 doing the honours.

 

 

A closer view of the Derby Sulzers as they await the yard exit dolly to be pulled "off".

 

Hopefully of interest but I am kind of running out of fresh locos to show, I am afraid I cannot nip out and just buy more in this scale. However, if I can pull my finger out I do have more projects in the stash, headcode 31, split box Peak, another 47, also Birmingham Sulzer 26 and 27. Shunter wise, the 08 is underway and an 03 remains buried in the stash.

 

Cheers

 

TT100 Diesels

 

[TT-Pete]

1 hour ago, TT100 Diesels said:

Meanwhile, 25071 is coupled up to an independent snow plough, as a pre winter snow plough refresher run was booked for HPJ crews.

 

I love those snow ploughs, how did you make them?