4 wheeler Coach identification please

[Quarryscapes]

This photo came to me labelled as Cambrian. It's photographed on Cambrian track, certainly, but it is not a Cambrian vehicle. Over to you GW experts. It's number appearas to be x131x the last maybe a 3, 6 or an 8.

 

Might it be Dia S18 No. 1313? If so, this is part of the the Tanat valley set of the late 40s, along with E40 No. 7248 on the right.  

[Paul H Vigor]

26 minutes ago, Quarryscapes said:

This photo came to me labelled as Cambrian. It's photographed on Cambrian track, certainly, but it is not a Cambrian vehicle. Over to you GW experts. It's number appearas to be x131x the last maybe a 3, 6 or an 8.

 

Might it be Dia S18 No. 1313? If so, this is part of the the Tanat valley set of the late 40s, along with E40 No. 7248 on the right.  

GWR 4-wheel post-1890 Holden 'City' stock?

[57xx]

The door vents look familiar. Something to do with Metropolitan stock?

[Paul H Vigor]

Just now, 57xx said:

The door vents look familiar. Something to do with Metropolitan stock?

Holden 4w.

[magmouse]

34 minutes ago, Quarryscapes said:

Might it be Dia S18 No. 1313?

 

Looking on http://www.gwrcoaches.org.uk, that seems like a good shout.

 

Nick.

[57xx]

9 minutes ago, Paul H Vigor said:

Holden 4w.

 

Thanks Paul, I thought it was something to do with stock used in London.

[WillCav]

It's got to be an 'S' diagram coach.  The distinctive door top shape suggests diagrams S16 to S21. It can't be S16 (4 compartment) or S20/21 (wrong roof section) which leaves S17-19.

 

The only number includes 131 is S18 number 1313.

 

Will

[Paul H Vigor]

3 minutes ago, 57xx said:

 

Thanks Paul, I thought it was something to do with stock used in London.

Apparently the rounded doors relate to doors opening in underground tunnels??

[57xx]

10 minutes ago, Paul H Vigor said:

Apparently the rounded doors relate to doors opening in underground tunnels??

 

Yes, I was just readying that here:

 

GWR Holden 4-wheel City stock

[Compound2632]

18 hours ago, 57xx said:

Yes, I was just readying that here:

 

GWR Holden 4-wheel City stock

 

Now, as I understand it, James Holden was in the Great Western's Carriage & Wagon Department from 1865 to 1885, becoming manager of the Swindon C&W Works and Chief Assistant to Dean:

https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/James_Holden.

 

In 1885, he took up the position of Locomotive, Carriage & Wagon Superintendent of the Great Eastern Railway.

 

I'm therefore puzzled as to why these carriages of late 1880s - mid 1890s build bear his name?

Edited November 14, 2023 by Compound2632

[Quarryscapes]

On 13/11/2023 at 20:51, WillCav said:

It's got to be an 'S' diagram coach.  The distinctive door top shape suggests diagrams S16 to S21. It can't be S16 (4 compartment) or S20/21 (wrong roof section) which leaves S17-19.

 

The only number includes 131 is S18 number 1313.

 

Will

 

That settles that then, thanks Will

[Penrhos1920]

1313 was long lived, lasting until 1950.  Here’s another  photo of 1313:  S18 no.1313

 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Penrhos1920

[bécasse]

The Tanat Valley line seems to have retained several 4-wheelers until c1950. I am not quite sure why as the brakes had been bogie vehicles for some time. The policy to retain them must have been deliberate as 1313 was repainted all-over brown at a relatively late date pre-nationalisation.