Where and how were German "Coal Bucket Wagons" used, e.g. Fleischmann 526506?

[BillB]

I know that coal tubs on flatcars were a very early item on British railways, soon succeeded by open coal wagons for simplicity. But I see Fleischmann make a set which are Epoch 2. It seems to me such a tub would need specialist infrastructure to utilise it, e.g. some sort of hoist? And maybe were only used in industrial locations? Or could a crane on an average branch line / industrial siding handle them? And how widespread was their use? I'd appreciate any info.

Thanks,

Bill.

[rekoboy]

The pre-war Deutsche Reichsbahn introduced in the 1930s the concept of Behälterverkehr (container transport) with small containers for coal, chemicals, liquids and even parcels with a range of wagons designed to carry 3 or 4 containers along with special road trailers - drawbar or articulated - to get them from the goods depot to the customer. This is the so-called 'Haus-zu-Haus' service.Post-war both the DB and the DR continued the development up to the introduction of today's ISO containers. German model railway manufacturers all had such vehicles in their range - but, sadly, few models of the special trailers are around - generally, no crane was needed, the trailer was pulled up at either right-angles to or parallel to the container wagon and the container was slid off on to the trailer. I have examples of a 4-container wagon in TT by BTTB/Tillig.

Edited December 9, 2023 by rekoboy

[BillB]

Thanks very much, great 1st pic that explains it all. As I am doing a pre-1914 branch I can settle for conventional coal handling, and delete 2 nice looking items from my ebay watch list!

[jonhall]

I think the haus-zu-haus system was a slightly different thing. 

 

try this website https://eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergalerie and use kübelwagen as a search term

 

Jon

[rekoboy]

No, I think the Kübelwagen - at least in those photos - are a very specific beast. Kalkkübel to be precise. The modern large wagons are still very much used in Eastern Germany largely for the transport of limestone from the quarry straight to the chemical works - from the Harz mountains to the BUNA carbide plant in Schkopau near Halle, for example. The Kübel are craned off the wagons and the contents tipped straight on to the conveyor to the carbide furnace. Here's a photo, courtesy of Bahnbilder.de of a limestone train of Kübelwagen at Rübeland.

Edited December 9, 2023 by rekoboy

[Bernard Lamb]

12 hours ago, rekoboy said:

No, I think the Kübelwagen - at least in those photos - are a very specific beast. Kalkkübel to be precise. The modern large wagons are still very much used in Eastern Germany largely for the transport of limestone from the quarry straight to the chemical works - from the Harz mountains to the BUNA carbide plant in Schkopau near Halle, for example. The Kübel are craned off the wagons and the contents tipped straight on to the conveyor to the carbide furnace. Here's a photo, courtesy of Bahnbilder.de of a limestone train of Kübelwagen at Rübeland.

These 'modern' wagons tended to run in block trains. I vaguely remember an earlier version of a limestone container that was based on the typical older type open wagon, with a much smaller container. Another destination for limestone was Leuna. Which I presume would have had some major infrastructure for handling this material that went way back. I never went too near the place, so can't provide any details. It was a horrible polluted area, visible for miles beching out smoke and fumes. Far too late for the OP though, so sorry for wandering OT.

Bernard

[rekoboy]

Frau Rekoboy did a combined higher school certificate with professional qualification (Abitur mit Berufsausbildung) as a chemical analysis technician at BUNA in Schkopau. Some of the classrooms were right next to the carbide plant. Every morning the first task was to sweep the dust off the window ledges and tables.

[Keith Addenbrooke]

3 hours ago, Bernard Lamb said:

These 'modern' wagons tended to run in block trains. I vaguely remember an earlier version of a limestone container that was based on the typical older type open wagon, with a much smaller container. Another destination for limestone was Leuna. Which I presume would have had some major infrastructure for handling this material that went way back. I never went too near the place, so can't provide any details. It was a horrible polluted area, visible for miles beching out smoke and fumes. Far too late for the OP though, so sorry for wandering OT.

Bernard

Continuing the thread drift (sorry) but hopefully of interest: I note the loco in the photo says: “funkferngesteuert” which I think translates as “remote radio control”.  The reason there’s no sign of a driver / engineer / Lokführer in the cab is therefore presumably because it’s the person hanging on to the rear wagon of the train (who would be using a remote control securely strapped on)?  Just wondered, Keith.

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by Keith Addenbrooke

[Bernard Lamb]

4 hours ago, Keith Addenbrooke said:

Continuing the thread drift (sorry) but hopefully of interest: I note the loco in the photo says: “funkferngesteuert” which I think translates as “remote radio control”.  The reason there’s no sign of a driver / engineer / Lokführer in the cab is therefore presumably because it’s the person hanging on to the rear wagon of the train (who would be using a remote control securely strapped on)?  Just wondered, Keith.

 

To contnue with the drift.

Back in steam days some of the locomotives with radio equipment for shunting had girls names begining with R. Presumable as a call sign. I remeber Ruth and Ramona, but would need to look up others. The names were painted on the tender in large letters if my memory is correct.

Bernard

[Bernard Lamb]

6 hours ago, rekoboy said:

Frau Rekoboy did a combined higher school certificate with professional qualification (Abitur mit Berufsausbildung) as a chemical analysis technician at BUNA in Schkopau. Some of the classrooms were right next to the carbide plant. Every morning the first task was to sweep the dust off the window ledges and tables.

Green usually west of Leipzig, but sometimes  dull red, depending on what acid was being produced.😃

Bernard

[rekoboy]

4 hours ago, Keith Addenbrooke said:

Continuing the thread drift (sorry) but hopefully of interest: I note the loco in the photo says: “funkferngesteuert” which I think translates as “remote radio control”.  The reason there’s no sign of a driver / engineer / Lokführer in the cab is therefore presumably because it’s the person hanging on to the rear wagon of the train (who would be using a remote control securely strapped on)?  Just wondered, Keith.

 

Yes, 'funkferngesteuert' is remote (radio) controlled and it is possible that the 'driver' of the quarry shunter is the chap hanging on the last wagon, although the control pad is quite large, like the ice-cream sales trays at the cinema or theatre - hence the German railwaymen's nickname for them is 'Bauchladen' - waist or tummy shop!

[Ian Morgan]

Here is a driver with his modern radio gear at Giesing, Munich