47406 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I am wondering if anyone would have, or can point me to, a picture of those notices that you'd find stuck in coach windows when 1st class stock formed the whole train ? A few ebay purchases with big chunks of time in between and not enough attention means i've ended up with a nice rake of 6 or 7 airfix MK.2D FOs I remember several cases where workings were formed of all 1st class stock in the '80s & early '90s so thought i'd go this route as a solution... thanks ! -dylan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Sorry I can't answer your question, but I do remember that Midland Main Line ran a set on a daily Derby-London return, formed of aircon FOs which had been refurbished as standard class. No doubt somebody will have a date but I have a feeling it was early 90s - certainly after all the other loco hauled workings had gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dylan - here you go: http://thebookingoffice.mediaobjects.co.uk/p60497001.html I knew I'd seen that somewhere recently - what are the chances! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47406 Posted November 6, 2009 Author Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dylan - here you go: http://thebookingoff.../p60497001.html I knew I'd seen that somewhere recently - what are the chances! And this weeks award for heroism-in-modeling goes to Pugsley !! Thank you, that's a very useful site - bookmarked it -dylan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 6, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2009 Hi Dylan, if it's the early eighties then you were still "Second Class" rather than "Standard" ! Here's one for the earlier period which in real life measures 153 x 122mm In days of yore, senior people in the office tended to have an Executive Loo. In Essex House, the Central DMO on Southern Region at Croydon, the posh loo was on floor 7, where most of the officers had their accommodation. On Floor 8, someone had posted exactly that sign on the "other ranks" gents' loo door! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Hi Dylan, if it's the early eighties then you were still "Second Class" rather than "Standard" ! Here's one for the earlier period which in real life measures 153 x 122mm I remember those! I once got into a Mk1 First at Edinburgh Waverley with one of those stickers - turns out there was a minor problem with the toilet. What was funny about it was that there was a brake at the front of the Seconds and the platform was largely blocked by BRUTE trolleys with the result that I was the only one to find that carriage and so had it all to myself - entertained myself composing imaginary letters of complaint about specks of dirt on the windows etc. B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocktondarling Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Ah...you must be talking of Britain, the post war classless society (moved up from 3rd to 2nd). How much money would we, the (majority taxpayer) save by abolishing First Class on all railway travel? I wonder When are they ever used? and Why? Stockie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Hi Dylan, if it's the early eighties then you were still "Second Class" rather than "Standard" ! Here's one for the earlier period which in real life measures 153 x 122mm A friend of mine used to carry a stock of these.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47406 Posted November 6, 2009 Author Share Posted November 6, 2009 <br />A friend of mine used to carry a stock of these....<br /><br /><br /><br /> Oh yeah ? <chuckle> I imagine that could have come in handy - or caused some interesting conversations on the train... Thanks for the posts everyone, most helpful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Must have been in 1961, just before I started work, that my Mum and I went from Derby to Bakewell Show. We travelled back in an ex LMS coach with these stickers. The compartment was one of those with four very well padded seats. Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chris116 Posted November 7, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2009 Back in the early 70's I travelled regularly on the Liverpool St to Great Yarmouth route and normally found a compartment with these stickers in. They always found there way into my bag and were reused on other trips for quite a long time. Comfortable days, even Second Class was better then the hardboard seats we have to put up with now in a lot of trains! Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 When I moved to North Wales in 1965 I commuted home to Oldham Friday teatime from June to October until the house was sold. On one occasion I spotted a 1930's Stanier Open First as the train ground to a halt at Abergele (usual Black Five haulage!). The carriage carried small 'Downgraded to Second Class' stickerson the windows but even so no one ventured to sit down. Apart from another bloke I had this luxurious carriage to myself......thickly padded blue seats and varnished empire veneers. Obvously it was destined for the scap yard come the end of the summer timetable. Such a shame. Larry G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 7, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2009 Ah...you must be talking of Britain, the post war classless society (moved up from 3rd to 2nd). How much money would we, the (majority taxpayer) save by abolishing First Class on all railway travel? I wonder When are they ever used? and Why? Stockie Not quite sure where this is intended to lead. First class typically costs 50% more than the Standard Fare. In my commuting days in SE England, the 1st class was full of season-ticket holders - all of whom were prepared to stump up 50% extra. I'm not sure how abolition would help that situation, since, particularly these days, the accommodation is hardly any larger per customer than in Standard class, so the TOC is making more money from each occupied seat. Indeed, when the Class 375s were introduced on South Eastern, they had no 1st class, and new antimacassors, labels etc had to be swiftly rustled up to enable these season-ticket holders to get their money's worth. On the former InterCity routes, in my experience, 1st class is full of business folk, often travelling in groups and using the train as a meeting room on wheels. Since they will not have taken advantage of early-booking cheap offers, they are, again, truly swelling the TOC coffers by doing so. I would suggest that classlessness is attained by enabling those at the bottom of the heap to live well and buy what they want, rather than depriving those with wealth from using it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossdp Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 In the final days of Waterloo-Exeter loco hauled workings, there seemd to be many first class coaches with these labels. The very few air conditioned Mk2D firsts were not declassified, but most of the remaining Mk2B/C coaches seemed to have been declassified with these stickers. There were usually very few passengers in them on the trains I travelled in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Ah...you must be talking of Britain, the post war classless society (moved up from 3rd to 2nd). Aye.....the cake has to be sliced up to help the needy. Trouble is we always destroy the people who make the cake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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