shortliner Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 http://members.train...erstations.html.... scroll down to the first large photo, Pier 1 of the PRR, and look at the radius of those track curves! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Great site innit? A labour of love. That must be close to where the new Staten Island Ferry terminal is located? Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshine coast Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Brilliant.... Railroad Operated Pier Station.... the perfect exhibition layout.... :biggrin_mini2: 1 car float ..a dozen box cars...1 warehouse... no locos no trackwork no controllers....just tell the audience the box cars are now being unloaded ....wait 5 mins ...and repeat .... coat = Regards Trevor ....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
highpeak Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Brilliant.... Railroad Operated Pier Station.... the perfect exhibition layout.... :biggrin_mini2: 1 car float ..a dozen box cars...1 warehouse... no locos no trackwork no controllers....just tell the audience the box cars are now being unloaded ....wait 5 mins ...and repeat .... coat = Regards Trevor ....... How about a finescale equivalent to the Lionel unloading boxcar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 http://members.train...erstations.html.... scroll down to the first large photo, Pier 1 of the PRR, and look at the radius of those track curves! Could they be Streetcar curves...? If so, it's quite a shallow radius as the two lines remain parallel instead of being eased out to avoid overhanging cars hitting each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gil Janus Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Could they be Streetcar curves...? If so, it's quite a shallow radius as the two lines remain parallel instead of being eased out to avoid overhanging cars hitting each other. Yes, they would be a Streetcar line - still horse drawn in 1902 - going from Battery Place and then a right turn onto West Street. See the attached photo - which was obviously taken from the same vantage point as the one on the website. See the horse drawn Streetcar ? Gil, known as Bill somedays ... B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted November 4, 2010 Author Share Posted November 4, 2010 Ah ha , all becomes clear! - Thanks Bill - I thought they were tracks from the wharf/carfloat for the boxcars - just shows that I should NEVER assume! PS - I think the two photos were taken very close in time, probably the same day,and only minutes apart - The boat and carfloats in the centre are the same, as is the wagon at left front of PRR warehouse and if you look at the shadows on the front left, they haven't moved very far. Looking at them (the shadows), I think yours was taken first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gil Janus Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 And here is another view - slightly wider in scope - this is just the corner of a scanned in panoramic photo. I beleive that I got it off of the The Library of Congress > American Memory website - but I've been unable to locate it again - so maybe I got it from some other digital archive. The only pier still standing is the one on the left of the photo, Pier A, once the southern most home of the many fire boats in Manhattan. That pier dates back to 1884-1886! That is the Jersey City Terminal of the Central of New Jersey across the Hudson (nee North) River. See Pier A waterside photo See Pier A article The rest of the piers were taken down, and that area is now covered with landfill from the original World Trade Center build (back in the 1970s). It's now home to more parks, apartment blocks, hotels, etc. The area is called Battery Park City - how original a name Gil, known as Bill somedays ... B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted November 4, 2010 Author Share Posted November 4, 2010 Interesting to see the inset turnouts in that photo, even copyright 1902 so they are all from the same year - Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 Btw the CNJ terminal is still there across the water (and you can get there by ferry from Manhattan). The interior is still as is - even the "Crusader" is listed on the platform signs, worth a quick visit if in town as is The High Line Park in Manhattan, don't forget. Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhBBob Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 A wonderful demonstration of how priceless old photographs can be and the foresight of presumably a 'company' cameraman shooting film for the archive ? Another argument for retaining 'black and white' photography with its better definition, unmarred by bright colours One picture is worth a thousand words ! Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gil Janus Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 Btw the CNJ terminal is still there across the water (and you can get there by ferry from Manhattan). The interior is still as is - even the "Crusader" is listed on the platform signs, worth a quick visit if in town as is The High Line Park in Manhattan, don't forget. Best, Pete. Thanks - I know that - unless you know me, then you wouldn't. I was born and raised and lived most of my life in NYC. From 2002 thru 2007 (when I retired up to Vermont), I lived at 1 West Street (or better known as 17 Battery Place - home of many tug/towing/shipping companies, and location of their dispatchers for many years), ie the exact corner where those photos were taken. I also worked at 17 State Street at the Battery from 2002 thru 2007 - my office directly overlooked the upper Harbor - I took hundreds of photos of the marine goings on around the harbor. I have many photos (never scanned in) of train shows at the CNJ Terminal and at the Hoboken Terminal - plus all of the digital ones I've taken in the last decade. I can even remember visiting all of the Jersey Rail Terminals - CNJ, PRR, Erie and DL&W (and taking trains to the other ones in Elizabeth, Journal Square, Newark and Patterson) when I was a kid. Here is a short gallery of photos taken on Saturday, September 8th 2001 at the Hoboken Terminal for an event called The 2001 Hoboken Train Festival It was a very grey day with large chance of rain that never showed, so the crowd was a little small. I was told that Sunday did much better. The attached photo is of 17 Battery Place (the one with the big dish) with 1 West Street behind it (the one with the curved front). West Street is just to the left of these buildings. The front building was built in 1904, and the high extension in 1910. This photo was taken from 17 State Street. To read some about the building, visit this great Flickr photo, and look at the references under the photo - The Whitehall Building - especially the Berenice Abbot one - another great photo. I probably should have mentioned some of this in my posts, but I wasn't really thinking, sorry. I'm also sorry if this sounds like a rant - it's not one. It's just a wet, windy, grey day up here in Vermont today. Gil, known as Bill somedays ... B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted November 6, 2010 Author Share Posted November 6, 2010 Bill - found your original - you were right as to where you found it http://memory.loc.go...:m856sf=6a11959:@@@ and something to revive memories http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/4616573588_679b834b3e_z.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/sminor/4616573588/&usg=__2Dg122JVAyZjxWBcrFUnCHgWqro=&h=640&w=496&sz=324&hl=en&start=10&sig2=pnRp_6vJE5A5tav5KlSVOQ&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=mlZxf80hGhU9HM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=106&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbattery%2Bplace%2Bearly%2B20th%2Bcentury%26hl%3Den%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=AHbVTNvDF4T_4AbO6uDsBw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium BR60103 Posted November 7, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2010 We just spent 2 weeks "camping" (in our motorhome) across the river, towards the right of the picture about where the smokestack is. The Jersey side is now much less industrial; the area around the railroad terminal is a park and then it's a marina and assorted reclamation projects and parking lots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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