Ragtag Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Hi folks, hoping to pick the brains of the parish here. In anticipation of Hornby and Bachmann's forthcoming OTAs, I've started to make a model of a more unusual member of the class (picture below). http://ukrailrollingstock.fotopic.net/p22242068.html I believe that this wagon was a prototype designated OTA-E and was a one-off, introduced in mid-1988, but would be grateful for any more info anyone could provide. Additional photos would also be most appreciated. Thanks in advance, Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 It appears to be a converted VDA van, but the ribs look slightly different to most other VDAs: http://dennistaylor.fotopic.net/p66652614.html http://carl-watson.fotopic.net/p64489276.html Perhaps it was converted from the prototype VDA? Sorry I can't be of much more help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted January 30, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2011 It appears to be a converted VDA van, but the ribs look slightly different to most other VDAs: http://dennistaylor..../p66652614.html http://carl-watson.f.../p64489276.html Perhaps it was converted from the prototype VDA? Sorry I can't be of much more help. Hi all, One off conversion as requested by Forestry Commission. Designed to be faster and easier to unload with a grab and also reduce the damage done to the logs when loaded. You need a picture of it loaded to see the effect and make it apparent why all this for one wagon. Downside was reduced wiegh capacity due ot increased unladen weight. Try searching on Fotopic for Bernard Harrison. I have a scanned copy of one of his which includes this wagon in a rake of OTA's. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60B Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Appears to have been converted from a ferry van like this: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/4-rstock/brferryvn.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Appears to have been converted from a ferry van like this: http://myweb.tiscali...k/brferryvn.jpg Nope, it's an ex-VDA. The number is in the VDA series and you can see the fishbelly underframe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 It is the one off VDA conversion to OTA for the Forestry Comission. Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted January 30, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2011 Appears to have been converted from a ferry van like this: http://myweb.tiscali...k/brferryvn.jpg Hi Paul, Don't think so... Wheelbase too long Underframe on VIX is trusses Underframe on the OTA is solid. My notes have it as ex VCA or VDA chassis Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragtag Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 Many thanks to all who've replied so far, especially to Phil. I already had it down as an ex-VDA but neglected to mention this above. A little digging turned up this: http://bernard-harri.../p26756515.html I'm a little unclear about how this design would be faster/easier to unload. Is it to do with fewer stanchions, and larger spaces between them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted January 30, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2011 Many thanks to all who've replied so far, especially to Phil. A little digging turned up this: http://bernard-harri.../p26756515.html Just checked back.. I've corrected my notes at some time to say ex VDA. THanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60B Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I'm not up on my wagons and the ribs seemed to match so I put 2+2 togther and got wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Summerisle Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Slightly off-topic but if you're modelling one off timber wagons then you might be interested in a wagon pictured in International Train-Ferry Wagons in colour for the modeller and historian by David Ratcliffe. It's a conversion from a curtain-sided bogie wagon to a timber carrier by the removal of the hood and the addition of stanchions and coded IOB. It essentially looks like a giant OTA, similar to the more recent cargowaggon conversions, but carried out in 1990. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Slightly off-topic but if you're modelling one off timber wagons then you might be interested in a wagon pictured in International Train-Ferry Wagons in colour for the modeller and historian by David Ratcliffe. It's a conversion from a curtain-sided bogie wagon to a timber carrier by the removal of the hood and the addition of stanchions and coded IOB. It essentially looks like a giant OTA, similar to the more recent cargowaggon conversions, but carried out in 1990. There were a couple like this- one was a Tiphook hooded flat, the other from the small Cargowaggon fleet. The Cargowaggon one also worked on steel bar traffic from Rotherham. Incidentally, GERS have had a lot of the former Sfins 'vans' ( formely used for things like fertilizer traffic etc) converted in a similar style to the OTA. They've got Dutch registration, and are intended for mainland European work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragtag Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 Don't worry m'Lud, any info on unusual timber wagons gratefully received. Thanks for the tips Brian. Will stick some photos up of my progress on the OTA at some point, hopefully tonight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragtag Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 Progress so far: Several details still to add but I think it's starting to capture the look. The camera appears to have given it a rather shiny, plasticy look which isn't visible on the real model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragtag Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Whilst it's possibly straying more into the realm of the Advice Centre, can anyone suggest suitable parts to model the fittings on the wagon sides used to strap the timber load down? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted February 1, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2011 Whilst it's possibly straying more into the realm of the Advice Centre, can anyone suggest suitable parts to model the fittings on the wagon sides used to strap the timber load down? Hi Ragtag, I presume that you mean the rachets to tighten the straps? If so... 5mm C shape plastic channel with 1mm hole drilled through then add a rod through that. Add a 2mm disc to one end to represent the ratchet gear itself. See photo... Photo Copyright John Howell. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragtag Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 Ah, brill idea - will give that a go, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a@y Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Progress so far: P1010166.JPG Several details still to add but I think it's starting to capture the look. The camera appears to have given it a rather shiny, plasticy look which isn't visible on the real model. This conversion was written up in DEMU UpDate. Pic of superstructure attached (I hope) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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