benachie Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Were the springs 4'6" or 6'0"? The John Edgeson (Isinglass) drawing (normally infallible) and the Campling drawing in "Historic Carriage Drawings" vol 3 both say 4'6" whereas the D&S kit and the drawing with it are 6'0". The Chivers kit is, I believe, from the Campling drawing is therefore 4'6" and I suspect the Isinglass kit is also. But pretty well all the photographs (e.g. Harris, Larkin, Cheona and even the one in Campling) seem to be 6'0". Is it possible they were originally short but were (?all) replaced by long later? (I think the preserved one is also 6'0".) Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted February 5, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2011 Were the springs 4'6" or 6'0"? The John Edgeson (Isinglass) drawing (normally infallible) and the Campling drawing in "Historic Carriage Drawings" vol 3 both say 4'6" whereas the D&S kit and the drawing with it are 6'0". The Chivers kit is, I believe, from the Campling drawing is therefore 4'6" and I suspect the Isinglass kit is also. But pretty well all the photographs (e.g. Harris, Larkin, Cheona and even the one in Campling) seem to be 6'0". Is it possible they were originally short but were (?all) replaced by long later? (I think the preserved one is also 6'0".) Alan Could it be that York & Stratford used different springs? There is a note on the Isinglass Drawings about springs in front/springs behind depending upon York or Stratford build;(the W iron I presume?) Coachman will know or Bill Bedford. If you 'search' D120 on this Forum there are loads of references (especially last year). I don't know the answer and I've just part built the Isinglass one!!!!! ATB 36E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benachie Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 Hi Mallard, I think I have managed to look at all the D120 posts without finding an answer. All the photos I have seen are Stratford build eg in Harris "Standard Gresley Carriages" p.185 we have an early picture of 6820 with short springs and in Campling p.22 a late picture of 70212 with long - both Stratford. I'm not sure about John Edgeson's comments about 3-vents/springs-in-front being York; Danny Pinnock (D&S) says the these vans were the D170/176 old underframe diagrams. I shall draw Larry and Bill's attention to this discussion. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 In the book Historic Carriage Drawings Vol 3 page 22 It say some were built new but some were built in 1932 on old ex-GNR 4 wheel coach underframes of simmilar length new builds were dia 120 but the rebuilds were dia 170/176/177 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benachie Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 In the book Historic Carriage Drawings Vol 3 page 22 It say some were built new but some were built in 1932 on old ex-GNR 4 wheel coach underframes of simmilar length new builds were dia 120 but the rebuilds were dia 170/176/177 Yes, I've just more or less said that! Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Yes, I've just more or less said that! Alan & if you look at the times i was posting the post & looking up the info at the time you posted so i never saw your post so next time you ask for help i wont Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I'm no expert on LNER and so all I can add is the springs on the Chivers Finelines 4-wheel pigeon van are 4ft 6ins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benachie Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Thanks for your help, everyone. I'm not sure that we have a definitive answer but maybe an opportunity will arise for someone to check further. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint of Adnams Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Came across this when searching for threads concerning this type of Van. According to the Stratford-produced GA drawing No. 25810E, the springs are dimensioned at 4' 6". For the Diagram 86 General and Diagram 87 Milk Vans, for which the underframe was originally developed, the springs comprised 10 plates 4" wide by 1/2" thick. Better late than never... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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