Coombe Barton Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 John Speed's maps, made in the 17th century, go online at http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/deptserv/maps/speed.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted April 22, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 22, 2011 But they don't show any railways!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted April 22, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 22, 2011 John Speed's maps, made in the 17th century, go online at http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/deptserv/maps/speed.html Thanks for posting, interesting to see which villages round my way have survived 400 years (almost always with a change of spelling, even allowing for 'f' =lower case 's'), and which have disappeared completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 They are quite interesting though - and amazing to see just how much is missing or simply in the wrong place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmisterporter Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Interesting viewing though. The map of Lancashire seems to indicate that Salford was more important than Manchester at one time. What we now call Liverpool was Lerpoole and as has been mentioned there are places not on the map that have appeared and others that have gone. Noticably there are villages that appear to have had enough prominence to be named at the time Speed drew the maps, but are probably still no bigger than when he drew them. Others have become prosperous towns due in no small part to the industrial revolution and the railways. With a railway connection, Chat Moss is shown. Hats off to John Speed though. Bearing in mind the equipment at his disposal and having to travel on foot and horseback it was a remarkable acheivement to map the whole country. And not a "Here be Dragons" in sight. Geoff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted April 23, 2011 Author Share Posted April 23, 2011 Interesting viewing though. The map of Lancashire seems to indicate that Salford was more important than Manchester at one time. St Ives (Cornwall) was a larger and more industrialised place than Manchester during much of the eighteenth century.What you're seeing in the Speed maps is pre-inductrial Britain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted April 23, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 23, 2011 Spellings of place-names, particularly of villages and small towns, didn't become fixed until the early 19th century, or even later. This was usually down to the Ordnance Survey, although their early maps still have some older spellings. Previously, spelling was partly phonetic, you wrote what you heard! Some places shown on his map were very small at the time. Using Hampshire as an example, he shows places with churches, even though they may not have been nucleated villages at the time, more a scatter of farms. His town plans, in the map corners, are remarkably accurate, although stylized. We frequently use the Southampton plan in our reports as it illustrates the layout of the medieval town. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 he shows places with churches, I certainly received the impression that this was the whole basis for the mapping. I don't think it was simply location of towns and populations which tend to dictate later maps, and it certainly did not have its basis in lines of communication as quite significant roads of Roman and Saxon origin are missing even though at that time they may well have only be cart tracks they were still important links between towns and villages. It is more of a parish based record and may to some extent explain why some are in odd, geographically incorrect alignment with each other. It was still, no doubt, quite a useful document to travelers at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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