Tony Davis Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I would like to model the "Newport Nobby", and have found the locomotive but am not sure about the Autocoach. Could somebody suggest a suitable host carriage to use,and maybe a supplier of conversion parts (should one exist) the original is here; http://www.mapley.org/images/npstation.jpg I have seen some wonderful examples on this site (by "Coachbuilder" I think) but this will be my first attempt at plastic modelling since I built a 1:24th scale Airfix Mustang when I was about 13. Thanks Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted August 10, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 10, 2011 I believe there was an article in Model Rail describing Push-Pull Operation, unfortunately I don't have access to my magazines to check. I know the Newport Nobby was usually a two coach train. 41222 was normally used on the branch, 84002 / 84004 no doubt substituted from time to time. Mr Bill Faulkner was a Driver on the line, he drove the last passenger train. I have a feeling that the local pick up freight had a 2-6-4 Fairburn Tank (42105 / 42106), not sure if the BR Std 4 80000 series used to make it down the branch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Davis Posted August 10, 2011 Author Share Posted August 10, 2011 I believe there was an article in Model Rail describing Push-Pull Operation, unfortunately I don't have access to my magazines to check. Thanks David, I have been searching on the 'net for what type of coaches the Push/Pull might have consisted of, doing a search for M17930M (the car number shown in the photo's in Bill Simpson's book) didn't turn up any results. I have since found a website http://glostransporthistory.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/Push%20Pull%20YTT.html which does show a drawing of an ex lms push pull but I can't see for looking what coach it might have been based on. I did see mention of "based on standard 54' or 57' stock" but due to lack of mainline railway knowledge I don't know what that points to and neither does Google. I shall persevere...................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 ... Could somebody suggest a suitable host carriage to use ... The very obvious host for such a conversion is a Bachmann BR mk1 non-corridor brake. Quite simply there is no currently produced LMS non-corridor stock, but BR's non-corridors are largely based on the LMS vehicle's layout.; same underframe length , compartment partition spacing, general profile. The metal kit built range I would think of for parts or even a whole kit is Comet Models. There must be a possibility that with the major members of the LMS 2-6-4T family, and other secondary power like the class 2 2-6-0 and 2-6-2T all available RTR, a manufacturer might just consider some of the LMS non-corridor designs they were so regularly seen with. (Must admit I was fair amazed that Hornby were venturing the Gresley non-corridors, when there are decidedly more RTR LMS loco types needing non-corridors - not that I am ungrateful you understand...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 I have been searching on the 'net for what type of coaches the Push/Pull might have consisted of, doing a search for M17930M (the car number shown in the photo's in Bill Simpson's book) didn't turn up any results. I have since found a website http://glostransporthistory.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/Push%20Pull%20YTT.html which does show a drawing of an ex lms push pull but I can't see for looking what coach it might have been based on. I did see mention of "based on standard 54' or 57' stock" but due to lack of mainline railway knowledge I don't know what that points to and neither does Google. M17930M was a diagram 1921A period 111 composite built in 1949 and motor fitted from new. It would have run with a driving trailer, most likely diagram 2122, sinse they were built at the same time as the d.1921 coaches. This had 6 third class compartments, a van and a driving compartment. This is similar but the p&p coach had only one set of double doors to the van and a single door and side widows to the drivers compartment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Davis Posted August 11, 2011 Author Share Posted August 11, 2011 Thanks, and may I ask where you got the info from, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS239 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Hi Anthony, I have a feeling of deja vue here,as the subject of 'quick and easy' LMS push-pull conversions has cropped up before on more than one occasion.. The quickest and easiest conversion is to fit a driving end [Comet part EM5] on to a '00' Graham Farish suburban brake third coach. These are based on LMS coaches,and although they haven't been in production for a number of years are readily available on the secondhand market.The all third could pass as the intermediate compo as well..[although the 9 compartments are all equally spaced] The very obvious host for such a conversion is a Bachmann BR mk1 non-corridor brake. Quite simply there is no currently produced LMS non-corridor stock, but BR's non-corridors are largely based on the LMS vehicle's layout.; same underframe length , compartment partition spacing, general profile. Sorry 34C,but I think I'd have to disagree here,as the BR Mk1 profile is so ditinctive that it can't really pass for anything else,as well as the need to replace the underframe details and bogies. As you rightly say,there are no curently produced LMS non-corridors,but the Grafar coaches can readily be picked up S/H,and fairly cheaply,especially if a bit tatty and 'ripe for bashing'... The metal kit built range I would think of for parts or even a whole kit is Comet Models. Absolutely,this of course is the route to take for the most accurate result,but would involve the most work [and expense] EDIT: I've just noticed that you don't state which scale you are working in,the comments about the Grafar coaches [apart from the Comet end] would apply equally to 'N' gauge as well as '00'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Davis Posted August 11, 2011 Author Share Posted August 11, 2011 Thanks, yes, I will be using 00 gauge. EM5 LMS Driving Trailer Windowed end would be the relevant part, no? Regards, Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Thanks, and may I ask where you got the info from, please? An illustrated History of LMS Standard Coaching Stock; Jenkinson & Essery; OPC; 2000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Thanks, yes, I will be using 00 gauge. EM5 LMS Driving Trailer Windowed end would be the relevant part, no? Yes, but as far as I can see no one does the sides with the window at the driving end. I'm away this weekend, but if you really want one of these coaches drop me a PM and when I'm back I'll sort out a kit for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Davis Posted August 12, 2011 Author Share Posted August 12, 2011 An illustrated History of LMS Standard Coaching Stock; Jenkinson & Essery; OPC; 2000 Thanks Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Davis Posted August 12, 2011 Author Share Posted August 12, 2011 Yes, but as far as I can see no one does the sides with the window at the driving end. I'm away this weekend, but if you really want one of these coaches drop me a PM and when I'm back I'll sort out a kit for you. Derby? Ok, thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Derby? Railwells Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 ...Graham Farish suburban brake third coach.These are based on LMS coaches,and although they haven't been in production for a number of years are readily available on the secondhand market.... Please. please, tell me where. Every example I have seen for sensible money in recent years looks like it has been in a washing machine with a few rocks. I foolishly left some near pristine examples in a shop ten years ago and haven't seen any good ones since! That's why the thought of the Bachmann mk1, which for all its' profile problem is at least readily available in good condition... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Davis Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 With regards to the Ivatt 2-6-2 2t, I have been looking for a RTR version and I see that Bachmann did produce one a few years ago (Loco 450-100) however, they appear to be extremely rare. I wondered if it were possible to obtain 00 gauge fittings from an after market manufacturer? If so, could anyone recommend one, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted August 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2011 Hattons are showing a 31-457 Ivatt class 2MT 2-6-2 Tank 41310 in BR lined black with early emblem as in stock. http://www.hattons.co.uk/products/category-Bachmann-branchline-locos-and-multiple-units-00-scale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Davis Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 Hattons are showing a 31-457 Ivatt class 2MT 2-6-2 Tank 41310 in BR lined black with early emblem as in stock. http://www.hattons.c...-units-00-scale Hi David, Thanks for this link but on checking it doesn't appear to have the vacuum pipes fitted. I know they did issue a model with them fitted but as I say, they seem quite rare now. That's why I wondered if there were any castings available from one of the specialist manufacturers Thanks again Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Davis Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 Just found these; http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/product/16443/CP31_Romford_Jackson_Vacuum_Brake_Pipes Could someone confirm that they would be suitable please, they look okay to me, but I just want to be sure Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted August 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2011 Hi David, Thanks for this link but on checking it doesn't appear to have the vacuum pipes fitted. I know they did issue a model with them fitted but as I say, they seem quite rare now. That's why I wondered if there were any castings available from one of the specialist manufacturers Thanks again Tony Hello Tony, Sorry I misunderstood your question. I know there was an article in Model Rail on the Ivatt 2MT's and Push Pull Motors; unfortunately all of my books and magazines remain packed away pending my hobbies room being completed. In addition to the Train Vacuum Pipes (one at each end of loco) you have two pipes (front & Rear) for the Motor Fitted (Push Pull) Ivatt's. Studying photographs should help you identify what's required. You should be able to fabricate them yourself by using a stiff wire for the pipe and some fine wire wrapped around the former (that's assuming they have the wire wrapped around them, I know the Vac Pipes do but not sure about the Motor Pipes). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Davis Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 Thanks, I will have a look at the photo's Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Davis Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 I have a feeling that the local pick up freight had a 2-6-4 Fairburn Tank (42105 / 42106), not sure if the BR Std 4 80000 series used to make it down the branch. Just seen in "The Wolverton to Newport Pagnell Branch" that indeed 42105 did handle freight. The engine is shown heading the South Midlands Rail Tour (I think it might be available on a DVD, I am going to try to get a copy), and the paragraph ends with "After closure to passenger traffic this engine was responsible for the daily frieght train" Well remembered you! Now Bachmann are going to get more of my money! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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