dave flint Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Thanks to the good folk at Trains On Time, I've come home to find Devious Diesel, or as the box says just plain "Diesel", has turned up. After a little scream going forwards, it has loosened up after a few minutes running and seems to be a very smooth and great running model. http://www.bachmannt...&productId=3771 Proper cranks and coupling rods like the real thing, and it ran at slow speed through the big plastic frog on the point on our Bachmann EZ Track test oval, hastily set up in the kitchen. Looks like the Hornby version will be heading for ebay....... I've got the body off (remove four screws (two under the cab and two under the "battery boxes"), and there is lots of room for a decoder (and "stay alives" if required). Sorry no photo's as the phone is in works, but I suspect the usual suspects will be along soon with theirs ! From the exploded diagram supplied with the loco, it looked as if the cab would come off separately but mine wouldn't budge. There is less detail on the body compared to the Hornby equivalent, but the eyes move, and the much better pick ups and more realistic mechanism are very big plusses IMHO. Cost - a very reasonable £36, similar to the Hornby product - for once ! I might have to order a couple more and get spraying, to replace Iron 'Arry and Bert. No connection with Bachmann or ToT, just a satisfied customer with a little lad who loves his Thomas trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchill8F Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 For the price of the model, it's a steal. The best thing about it, which is common with the prototype, is the outside frames. Whereas Hornby opted to go for their SSPP 0-6-0 chassis, used on several other items, the Bachmann model uses an all new chassis. Pictures of it fresh from the box: If anyone wants, I have a full review of said model on my blog: http://8fworks.blogspot.com/2011/11/Bachmann-58802-devious-diesel-review.html Good model, I expect a few Hornby ones will go up onto ebay in the coming months. Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Hornby didn't really opt out of doing the outside frames; they just used their old 1950s model which never had them! This is a far better product and I suspect the chassis on its own may well prove useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchill8F Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Hornby didn't really opt out of doing the outside frames; they just used their old 1950s model which never had them! This is a far better product and I suspect the chassis on its own may well prove useful. Sorry, I was thinking Hornby had the Lima 08 in their collection of molds when they made Diesel, yet he originally surfaced in 1986. (Might have been 87.) Pics and dimensions of the chassis. Total Length: 98mm (137 including couplings) Total Width: 34mm (39mm including cranks and rods) Total Height: 44mm End of wheel to end of wheel: 58mm Axle to axle: 44mm Please note that they are approximate, although as accurate as I can get them. Pictures of the chassis: Sourced from my blog. Hope this is of use for you. Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 OTOH the inside frames Hornby chassis is probably more robust and child friendly.... Incidentally the name "Devious Diesel" was a Hornby invention - he was just "Diesel" in the one Awdry book in which he appeared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave flint Posted November 7, 2011 Author Share Posted November 7, 2011 True, but this Bachmann model is more "dad friendly"........ it does seem very robust too. I know I bang on about these #homas models, but I want to spread the word that there are alternatives to the over priced Hornby models.(yes I know there is a licence fee to pay for, but I don't suppose Bachmann got a free licence either. And Hornbys offerings are mainly old models reworked slightly to Awdryfy them. rant over !) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Hornbys offerings are mainly old models reworked slightly to Awdryfy them. rant over !) It has to be said that the Rev. Awdry himself used mainly standard commercial models (RTR or kit) for his own models. For example his 'Daisy' was made from the Triang Met-Camm with the cab from the trailer glued onto the (sawn off) brake end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave flint Posted November 8, 2011 Author Share Posted November 8, 2011 Yes, but he didn't charge a fortune for them.......James (a very basic moulding using a tender power "bogie" common to henry and gordon) for £92 ?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW James Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 The Rev didn't put faces on his models. That was only done in the books - and of course the TV show Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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