cornamuse Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Have posted this as a prelude to a plea... Having tried some card models of early standard gauge stock (and some narrow too), does anyone have a drawing or two I could use to design and build a couple of broad gauge items? I am thinking in terms of expanding my early stock with a view to a small model of a railway museum specialising in early railways. Card construction is by preference, absence of ability with anything harder and due to non-existent modelling budget, preferred scale atm is 7mm cheers Andy 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Read Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) Hello Andy, You may have found these yourself:http://spellerweb.net/rhindex/UKRH/SECR/LCDR.html http://yorkmodelmaking.co.uk/4mm-broad-gauge-wagon-kit This is a GWR resource site that might be able to help, there are some BG locos on there.http://www.gwr.org.uk/siteindex.html [edit] Ahhhhh!! :-) http://www.broadgauge.org.uk/pubs/pub_data_sheet_index.html Nice to see you back, best wishes - Jim Edited January 11, 2014 by Jim Read Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Cool, thanks, Jim started on an old S&DR 1st / 2nd composite last night as a sort of warm up to see if I can still build small stuff Will post when it is properly under way, artwork will be available for anyone who is daft enough Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Read Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hello Andy, Looking throug that BG site I found this: http://www.broadgauge.org.uk/modelling/bgs_parts_prices_7mm.html lots of pics amongst the 39 pages of stuff. The iron sided coal wagon would be easy to make. Cheers - Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relaxinghobby Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) More cardboard wagons, I bought ready made from various second hand stalls at model shows. The cattle wagon is I think a kit and the lime wagon is of course a PECO kit with pre-printed cardboard sides glued to a metal box to give strength to the model. The roof is moulded plastic, not completely cardboard but it shows what can be done with pre-printed sides. I've added couplings and given them both a coat of matt varnish to protect the printed sides and kill the gloss of the shiny plastic frame sides. The cattle wagon was painted with gloss paint, it has a wooden floor and card solebars, the W-irons, brakes and buffers are all metal, probably Kenline castings that where available back in the day, above the floor it's all cardboard. The PECO wagon is down a bit in this corner due to the axle box springs having been damage, the soft plastic springs these Edited January 27, 2014 by relaxinghobby 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_9B Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) An update to my last post. I finally got around to making a new model this time in 7mm scale to see if I still had the 'skills' of decades ago Since I had a drawing of it I decided to make another Fowler tender. After two evenings work the tender body is assembled. This is constructed around a 1.5 mm plywood 'box' with card lamination to form the body. This is the basic model to which detail will be added in the form of paper and card overlays (the same method used in the 3F model). And of course there are still things like the vents, dome, steps and handrails (some being 'delicate' when handling the model while under construction, so I'll leave to last). All the card sealed with a coat of paint as each stage of construction is completed. Materials used. Card from document folders, 'King Edward' cigar packets (provided by a friend of mine who is a smoker). Tesco's photo printer paper (really thin card). 1.5 mm (or whatever its imperial equivalent was) plywood. Super Glue to fix it all together. Matt black aerosol paint (still a bit wet and shiny here and there when the photos were taken). Photos. Coal space is a complete guess, but better than just leaving it as a flat area. When finished and filled with coal it should allow 'part full' representation instead of the more usual full load seen on models. There's a couple of views of the underside where the ply construction can be seen. The old and the new a comparison. Edited February 9, 2014 by Bill_9B 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) current progress on some early stock: scale 7mm, mostly card, printed, then layered and painted this is based on the Stockton and Darlington Railway 1st 2nd composite coaches. still has luggage rack and brake gear to add next stop, chauldron waggons and a 2 1/2 compartment coupe, I think. Edited February 9, 2014 by cornamuse 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 This weekend I've mostly been constructing cornamuse's kits 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_9B Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 current progress on some early stock: scale 7mm, mostly card, printed, then layered and painted this is based on the Stockton and Darlington Railway 1st 2nd composite coaches. still has luggage rack and brake gear to add next stop, chauldron waggons and a 2 1/2 compartment coupe, I think. sandd small.jpg Lovely job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 very flattering, Hesperus I hope they are going together ok? good luck with them Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 They're going together great now that I've given up on cardboard chassis. The coach is on the remains of a Hornby wagon chassis and the wagon is on an HO scale coach bogie with most of the detail hacked off. I couldn't make the card chassis work on my own wagon kit either, it looks ok in the photos but I should really just cut the w-irons off and replace them with white metal ones. With the coach I glued the outer sheet of detail to some brown card (same as the roof) as it matched the lining which was handy when I cut the panelling out. Just need to build something engine shaped now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 the card chassis are just me trying to be clever... probably not all that clever, either they seem to work ok on the o gauge stock, but it is much bigger! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Finally - the 1st and 2nd class composite is finished. Details too a long time adding, and the company crest and numbers still need to be worked out, but have now started on a small open 3rd, with plans for a 2nd that looks not unlike a cattle wagon! hope we like! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Seems like ages ago, but here is the next step, as threatened: A very short (and slightly conjectural) 2 compartment open 3rd, in need of some serious paint Hope we like! Andy 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Read Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Hello Andy, That's great work it really looks the part. Recently I was talking to John Fownes (of card loco fame) and he uses Ryman's 0.9 mm mount card it's good stuff and quite stiff despite it being quite thin. Cheers - Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) Sounds good I use mount card for the floors, bufferbeams and so on, so will give it a look when the current store of card runs out. I also have some grey card to trial - a bit like the backs of pads, but stiffer, cheap, and I have an A2 sheet of it to work through I really need to get some good stock built, as that was the purpose of most of these early railways, especially up here - chaldron waggons, some dumb buffered short truck that kind of thing... worse than that, I don't have any suitable locos either yet... Jim - no idea how I missed it, but the Y7 is looking awesome! Edited March 16, 2014 by cornamuse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Read Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Hi Andy, Hope you and yours are OK and thanks for the nice comment. I've used mount board for the chassis of my Y7 and the body is a mixture of that and Ryman's card. Regarding the grey card I've found that if it's shellacked it soaks right in and goes really hard and can be filed easily. Cheers - Jim [edit] I wasn't sure whether to post me Y7 build in this thread or not. This forum section has spread out from just buildings to all sorts now. Long live card modelling! Edited March 17, 2014 by Jim Read 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 For those worried about cardboard models not lasting take a look at this. It was going around the test track at ExpoEM last year (2013). This is a "modern image" model as the livery was current at the time of build! So that should give away it age. The model is from the layout Metropolitan Junction. It is now on it's third motor bogie. The original motor was hand wound...now that is proper model engineering. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrjezza31 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Lots of London Underground models from Mr Conner are available. They make very nice models as well. I made this C-stock with double glazing, including no smoking signs and recessed doors. It is on a brass chassis, but could do with better bogies. The other end is motorised with a Spud. Interior is under construction. I have a DLR 2 car train in production at the moment. This will run on 3 black beetles, one powered and 2 dummy and will feature a fully detailed interior as well Where could I get a brass chassis for mine? Cheers! -BDC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Open 3rd mostly done, and Chaldron Waggons. Not enjoyed them at all - too many strange angles, it took nearly 10 attempts to get 2 that looked level. Started a thread in Boxfiles, micros and dioramas to show a little layout for these to trundle around. Will be finger powered, if I don't pull mine out and make a small early loco to go with them Anyone know of a prototype from the 1850s with waggon sized wheels? my budget wont run to big drivers right now! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Read Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Hi Andy, They both look very good indeed, fair play to you. Cheers - Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 ...Anyone know of a prototype from the 1850s with waggon sized wheels? ... http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/onecylinder/onecylinder.htm Scroll down to the Neilson single cylinder engine, patented 1856. (As ever, the Douglas Self site is a source of never ending wonderfulness.) Build one of those to haul your lovely early stock, and it is likely to be a very rare model indeed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Much appreciated, thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_9B Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I am amazed it is two years since I posted on here about my old models and my idea of making a 7mm model of a Fowler tender as an experiment to see if I could still make them after so long. In the meantime I've been busy with home improvements (including a 'storage room' in the loft ) Had an operation on my hand and other diversions, but I fished out my model again and have just added a few details to it. Everything on it is paper, wood and card. I'll probably keep adding detail when I feel like it - stuff like handrails, lamp brackets etc - not forgetting the under-frame detail has not been even started. But I doubt it will ever be part of a 7mm finished model with its loco, I prefer 4mm and will start a layout at some time in that scale. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 That looks great, now you've got to build the loco to go with it. It would look nice on the mantelpiece, maybe on a little diorama..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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