GreenDiesel Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Over the years I've seen a few 00 models of 3F's painted in LMS red, including one from the new Hornby Railroad range. Does anyone know for sure if the 3Fs where ever painted in that livery? My suspicions is that they were only painted black with LMS gold/yellow lettering but I thought I'd check. Thanks! Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium BR60103 Posted January 13, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2012 Rob: Jenkinson & Essery in Locomotive Liveries of the LMS state "These engines were always plain black". (I assume you mean the 0-6-0T?) However, there was a variety of styles of lettering -- gold gave way to straw, and the sizes of the numbers varied depending on what was available in the works or what matched the existing numbers. The ex-Midland 0-6-0 tender locos also seem to have been black except for at least one that reeived SDJR blue. Again, much variety of transfers. Every time I look at the book, I need to go back and find out what the codes mean. Hornby has produced the 3F in red but it is generally accepted as imaginary. J&E say that the Jinties livery did not change very quickly when the official specs did. They would generally receive touch-ups only. Even the numbers didn't change when they were supposed to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted January 13, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2012 Yes, at least 2 have been painted red - but only in preservation days. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMS_Fowler_Class_3F See preservation section. So if you want to model a preserved one, it is technically correct to do so. Kevin Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDiesel Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 Thanks for this feedback -- it's pretty much what I expected! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruciethefish Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 All repaints of LMS constituent freight locos, tank or tender, would have been plain black after 1922, with the exception of the S&D 'Jinties', which were initially painted blue as they were regarded as mixed traffic engines on that line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 ...... with the exception of the S&D 'Jinties', which were initially painted blue as they were regarded as mixed traffic engines on that line. Without lining though (like the Hornby one in fact). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDiesel Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Thanks for this info. I actually have the blue S&D loco & do run it as mixed traffic loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 ...I actually have the blue S&D loco & do run it as mixed traffic loco. Unlike the Somerset & Dorset who quickly gave up any idea of using them for passenger services... Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Unlike the Somerset & Dorset who quickly gave up any idea of using them for passenger services... Perhaps they had better things for the 3FTs to do and had plenty of passenger engines anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Perhaps they had better things for the 3FTs to do and had plenty of passenger engines anyway. That's right. They were built by Bagnalls with steam heating and screw reversers for passenger use. According to Chris Handley in Radstock Coal & Steam, one of their initial uses was to assist passenger trains over the Mendips, but their small wheel diameter was unsuitable for this task. They were only about a year old when the LMS took over in 1930 and they very quickly started to replace them with ordinary freight Jinties. Most of the seven original S&DJR "Bagnalls" had been moved elsewhere within a few years to places where they were needed for passenger working. Essery & Jenkinson, An Illustrated History of LMS Locomotives, has a photo of 7155 (S&D no 24, later 7315/47135) at Plaistow in 1933 still in blue. Of the original seven, only one (25/7156/7316/47316) ever returned to the S&D after 1934. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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