Michael Delamar Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 a railtour from Manchester around Lancashire features on Railway roundabout 1961 video. features a L&Y A class and 2-4-2tank. I was trying to find the route of the railtour if anyone can help, it doesnt feature in the railtour files website. many thanks Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 15, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 15, 2012 It starts in Newton Heath Shed (yes!) and goes to Middleton Junction, Chadderton & Oldham. 50850 on front and 52271 at the rear for most of the journey., including the 1 in 27 bit. 4 coaches including an artic pair. Edit: quite a short tour really! (I've just checked the video) Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 It must be the raitour that ran in September 1960 organised by the Roch Valley Railway Enthusiasts Society. I had intended watching it pass through Oldham at Sheep Washer Lane on the OA&GB line but couldnt get my backside off the sofa. Railway Roundabout footage was not always screened the year it was shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 thanks guys, no wonder I couldnt find it. http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/600917rv.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 16, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2012 On the Railway Roundabout 1961 video (edited down from the original program length I assume) 50850 (leading) and 52271 (at rear) ran together from the start until after the incline. 50850 then ran on unassisted. What happened after Oldham isn't shown. The Railtour started in a siding and everyone had to walk along the tracks and climb in the coaches. - Can't see that happening these days! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 interesting that it started from Oldham road goods, we where just talking about that yard on another topic. I wanted to find out about the Middleton jnc to Oldham and also the chatterton line as ive been meaning to have a look on google earth for a while now. ive found it now, on the video as they climb the incline the houses in the background are still there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Belgian Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 On the Railway Roundabout 1961 video (edited down from the original program length I assume) 50850 (leading) and 52271 (at rear) ran together from the start until after the incline. 50850 then ran on unassisted. What happened after Oldham isn't shown. The Railtour started in a siding and everyone had to walk along the tracks and climb in the coaches. - Can't see that happening these days! Keith Not so: all the RR footage was included in all the programmes. Editing thereof was confined to removing 'flashes' between cuts. JE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 17, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2012 What's shown on the 1961 DVD is about 5 minutes starting (supposedly) at Newton Heath shed and ending near Oldham. Was that the length of each program when broadcast? BTW Ian Allan in Birmingham is selling the Videos at £1 each or £7 for the set of 8 (which is what I paid in "The Works" a few years ago) A bit different from this overpriced offering: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Railway-Roundabout-1958-DVD/dp/B000FDFXDQ Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I've only got three..... Wish I had the rest. Same with the Cam Camwell collection of which I've got but two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 there is a good shot of the special approachig Werneth station, passing the signal box in London Midland steam on the ex l&y by R.S Greewood ISBN 0851532314 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 near the end of the film it shows 50850 running round at a station with the cab full of children, then passing over a single track viaduct, where was this? Ill get round to modelling 50850 one day, always liked these tank engines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 i think it may be the holcombe brook branch at Woolfold , the station can be seen behind the single track viaduct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 http://www.railbrit.co.uk/location.php?loc=Bury%20and%20Tottington%20District%20Railway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 http://www.railbrit....trict%20Railway Thanks for posting the link. The single coach is an LNWR Dia. M49. There is also a standard LMS non-corridor push pull set and a 2-coach set with an LMS 2-window open coach converted to a driving trailer and fitted with centre doors. I was hoping there would be photos of the driving end of this vehicle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Belgian Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 What's shown on the 1961 DVD is about 5 minutes starting (supposedly) at Newton Heath shed and ending near Oldham. Was that the length of each program when broadcast? BTW Ian Allan in Birmingham is selling the Videos at £1 each or £7 for the set of 8 (which is what I paid in "The Works" a few years ago) A bit different from this overpriced offering: http://www.amazon.co...D/dp/B000FDFXDQ Keith The programmes when broadcast were live. Pat Whitehouse and John Adams commented in the studio upon their films which had been pre-edited prior to being taken to the studio. All varied in length, depending on how much footage had been obtained. There were certain scenes which were cut out and retained by Pat, some of which we put back into the programmes. All the commentaries were written by me from Pat's notes, and then approved by him, shortly before he died. Some of the material in the programmes was never broadcast. JE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 22, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2012 The arctic pair look like D1965, possibly M 52524/5 Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 23, 2012 Author Share Posted February 23, 2012 The arctic pair look like D1965, possibly M 52524/5 Keith pausing and rewinding the video on the part where the train is on the Chatterton branch, the artic looks like the number begins M55... also, there is a quick shot where the train is passing Bury Knowsley street station, passing under the bridge to Bolton street that the ELR uses nowadays. took me a whle to realise where that shot was, maybe because the narrator Peter Woods is talking about Oldham during that shot, im not well up on the Oldham area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 23, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2012 pausing and rewinding the video on the part where the train is on the Chatterton branch, the artic looks like the number begins M55... Looking at the window/door pattern suggests a D1965 (BTO/TO) which would make it 52500-52543 The 55000 series were D1967 which were TO/CO (no brake section) I have just played it on my DVD player where I can advance frame by frame and the leading coach of the artic pair seems to be either M52531M or M52534M (I can get a pretty clear rendition of the first 4 numbers, the fifth is slightly blurred) EDIT: As it is the BTO it must be odd numbered! The vehicle at the other end appears to be either M9954M or M9984M making it a D1946 BTO (All info from Jenkinson/Essery LMS coaches volumes) The middle coach is never clear enough to read the number. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 cheers Keith, great help im looking to see if i can find any more pics of the special are the roch valley society still going? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 There is some nice colour shots in the railwayroundabout book, all credited to colour rail but I can't find one on the site of the special on the incline Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckdancer Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 The programmes when broadcast were live. Pat Whitehouse and John Adams commented in the studio upon their films which had been pre-edited prior to being taken to the studio. All varied in length, depending on how much footage had been obtained. There were certain scenes which were cut out and retained by Pat, some of which we put back into the programmes. All the commentaries were written by me from Pat's notes, and then approved by him, shortly before he died. Some of the material in the programmes was never broadcast. JE Thanks for that - great to know that you are a member of this board! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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